we must respectfully refuse to recognize the depositions, and we will not recognize any new bishop who may be elected to replace Bishop Schofield, unless and until the canons are followed.

Very well done South Carolina.  Thank you.

I second Mark: well done.

Amen.  Bravo, SC!  Way to go.

Now will any other dioceses step up and do the same?

David Handy+

"We must request...........”

This will not go down well with Schori and Company, and you can bet that they’ll keep a close watch the Diocese of South Carolina.

To quote that wascally wabbit, “You realize, of course, this means war”. I wonder if they are ready for the counteroffensive.

This annoying piece of correspondence will likely be placed in the same file folder containing those silly requests from nosy bishops inquiring about the costs of litigation.

It has also come to light that Bishop Waynick of Indianapolis voted for the depostion of Bishop Cox on the basis of his uninvited episcopal acts in Kansas.  However, it’s my understanding from the HOB’s notification of the deposition that these charges were not before the HOB.  So, Waynick and perhaps others deposed Bishop Cox on the basis of charges that were not before them.

This is significant indeed.

You can expect our Presiding Litigator to respond with depositions of Bishop Lawrence and his Standing Committee.

Since the subject matter is the failure to follow the canons in connection with the depositions of Bishops Cox and Schofield, it seems noteworthy that no mention is made of the absence of a prior inhibition of Bp. Cox.  Is there some line of reasoning that satisfies the writers of the letter from South Carolina on that score?

Any lawyer or layman for that matter can clearly see that they ran roughshod over the written cannon.  Liberals do not care about legal niceties when it gets in the way of their agenda.  For the next round of depositions at least those Bishops present and opposed can call them on it.  I think the institutional liberals will likely pull back from further depositions under that Cannon.  Looks like +Duncun may be safe after all - it is very hard to get an absolute majority present when less than half ever show up.

I am so glad there are heroes still in TEC. Thanks for proving me wrong, and let me continue to challenge others in authority to do the same.

Sure, Nikolaus #9 - after all, under the Schori/Beers interpretation of the canons, they can get a meeting of three bishops over lunch and depose their enemies with two of them.  And, if the PB happens to get a troublemaker in her claque, she can just send him to pay the bill and hold her vote while he’s gone.

I recognise Jerry Lamb...for the invalidly installed leader he is about to become.

Intercessor

Edited slightly-ed.

I wonder how many more bishops are on Schori’s hit list?

it seems noteworthy that no mention is made of the absence of a prior inhibition of Bp. Cox.  Is there some line of reasoning that satisfies the writers of the letter from South Carolina on that score?

Three words: Double Secret Inhibition.

I have been in extreme despair over what I’ve perceived as my diocese deciding to take an orthodox back seat and leave all the hard work to DioSJ, DioPittsburgh, and DioFW.  This gives me hope!

This is the perfect way to end the week.  They may not get what they ask for, but shining the bright lights on the PB and Beers forces the Anglican Communion to watch closely to see what happens.  Holding people accountable is always the right thing. 

We cannot allow this punitive approach of the national leadership to solving deep disputes to prevail!

Edited slightly-ed.

If I remember correctly a Bishop’s election is approved by a majority of both the diocesan bishops and the standing committees. Not just a majority of those who care to vote on time, as South Carolina found out. So if Schorai and Co interpret the rules strictly for an election of a bishop it ought to be more strictly enforced for the deposition of a Bishop.

Is it not fitting that the PB should be called on a technicality when it was just over a year ago she invalidated the election and hence the elevation of the then Rev. Mark Lawrence to Bishop of the Diocese of South Carolina because some dioceses wrongly “thought that electronic permission was sufficient as had been their past accepted practice.”

Thank you South Carolina.  I’m afraid it is too little, too late, but at least somebody is finally standing up (officially) to the powers that be in TEC.

Throwing pearls to the swine.....

bl

Hey, elves, totally off topic, but the icon that normally appears on your web address has changed to a green football, the same as LGF. Either someone has hacked you (early payback from 815?) or my cat has managed to do something to my computor. Seriously, he was sitting on it.

Never mind. It was my cat...somehow. It’s affecting other websites.

Evil incarnate.

From The Living Church:

“Bishop Lawrence and the South Carolina Standing Committee have really gone out on a limb in respectfully calling for a second vote on the depositions and for postponement of the special convention,” the Rev. John Burwell, president of the standing committee told a reporter from The Living Church. “I am hoping that other diocesan bishops and standing committees will join me in respectfully calling for the consistent application of our canons.”

Bravo, bravo to Dio. of SC!  As #20 highlights - there is hardly a diocese that is better-placed to call attention to the debacle of the last HoB’s proceedings than SC, which had suffered patiently through two confirmation hearings, and barely a month ago graciously hosted a ‘dialogue’ with the perpetrator of these miscarriages of parliamentary procedures.

It is very good to see attention being brought to the current situation, by those with the experience to fully apprehend the implications from March 12.

Now, Chris, most REAL cats are affectionate (if sometimes eccentric) creatures who only accidentally mess up software and hardware.  (Google a utility called “Paw Sense” for a cure!) Of course, if the current Jezebel WERE trying to possess your computer, wouldn’t she manifest a satanic squid instead of a cat? 

Been in clinic all day and come home to find this wonderful news. My heart is all a flutter!

This is flag planting on the order of Baltimore’s Fort McHenry. “O’ say can you see...”

Thank you #16!

At least the theologically liberal bishops are consistent. In their seminaries, they learned that the Bible doesn’t really mean what it says. Rather, it means what they want it to mean in any given circumstance. In the pews and councils of their denomination, when critical questions arise about faith and practice, that’s their guiding light. And when it comes to law and order in the church, the same principle applies when it suits those in power: the constitution and canons don’t really mean what they say. They mean what the power holders want them to mean in light of circumstances and to achieve certain ends.

These kinds of attitudes AND behavior may come back to bite them ---when the secular courts are called in to settle disputes and judge how seriously church law and order is to be taken. (Goodbye, hierarchicalism; hello neutral principles....)

w.w.

Here is a bishop and province prepared to speak truth with courage.

Well TEC bishops - are you prepared to have the protection of your canons neutered for expediency by Goodwin Procter?  If you do - next time it could be you!

And what of us?  Is this what you mean when you talk to us of your unique polity

Perhaps that should be diocese; although +Lawrence would make a good presiding bishop.

Excellently well done, South Carolina!

Matt 23:27-28

27 “Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs that look beautiful on the outside but inside are full of the bones of the dead and of everything unclean. 

28 In the same way, on the outside you look righteous to people, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
............................................................................................
Need one say any more than our Savior Jesus Christ?

A courageous and principled stand in the face of the Stalinist purge now under way within TEO, which lacks not for its Molotovs, Dzerzhinskys and Berias.  Alas, it is bows and arrows against the lightning.  I suspect that it’s just a matter of time before +Lawrence is subject to trumped-up charges and his coterie subjected to show trials.

Anyone who thinks the rule of law reigns within TEO is sadly mistaken.  At least we can take comfort in knowing KJS and her lackeys have a table reserved in the Sixth Circle for their actions.

If ASchori and co. dismiss this appeal, by what ever means, - and I expect she will - we must again ask what she has to gain by it, for any sort of deflection will reflect badly on herself and she will gain nothing equal to the loss. Larry

That was quick.

Now we see the whole reason that +Lawrence’s consent was contentious.  The silliness of “I recognize you, but not you.” needs to stop.  Unfortunately +Lawwrence has been unable to stop this and actually joined in.  Sad.

It is indeed sad, Brian, when one’s faithfulness is calibrated against the willingness to rubber-stamp the lawless actions of an out-of-control Presiding Plaintiff and her consigliere.  It would seem that one either has to be a heretic or compliant stooge to have the crosshairs removed from one’s back in TEO these days.

I’m very much afraid that +Lawrence is in Schori’s crosshairs, and all she needs is an excuse for pulling the trigger.  Everything she does is with deadly purpose, but her saying that she believes in God and really meaning it isn’t one of them!

I meant to say that Schori doesn’t practice what she preaches when she says she believes in God.  So far, she’s done absolutely NOTHING to prove to me, at least, that she does.

Cennydd, anyone not in lockstep with the Presiding Plaintiff is a marked (wo)man.  The purge is on, and any diocese even remotely considering a theology different from TEO’s rapidly-mutating revision had better consider getting out, and quick.

Kendall, are you sticking around for this?

Notice how the bar for being a decent Episcopalian has been raised?  Brian from T19 #37 gives the latest example: anything other than fawning over the latest canonical abuse means one is a troublemaker who would be better off not existing.  Another item from this genre is the trope that the San Joaquin Standing Committee should be removed because its members wrote KJS “an insulting and scathing rebuke” (that’s real revisionist language, BTW).  How dare they disagree!  (Stock answer when asked where the canons permit the PB to remove a SC because it doesn’t grovel before her enough: “What’s done is done.  Move on.  We’ll ‘clean up’ the canons at GC09.")

Of course, when the Resurrection is denied, or one wants to “marry” a man and a man, or the Eucharist is offered to unbelievers (and the excess probably thrown in the trash later), hey: back off, bigots.

The priorities of ECUSA are out of whack, to put it mildly.

RE: “Brian from T19 #37 gives the latest example: anything other than fawning over the latest canonical abuse means one is a troublemaker who would be better off not existing.”

Right—and as Brian rightly pointed out, that was the real reason why the consents to Lawrence were so resisted.

As we all know it was Lawrence who spoke on behalf of the minority report against consent to Robinson, as he served on the consents committee.

Payback time for this report, which he helped author:

Minority Report
Believing that the work of Legislative Committee 07: Consecration of Bishops is, according to the Title III, Canon 22, more than merely a verification of correct procedure, but is equally concerned with the appropriateness of the candidate’s wholesomeness of life (and consequently includes sexual behavior);
And that this wholesomeness is not merely a model for an individual diocese, but also for the entire One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church to which he would be ordained and consecrated;
And whereas the approval of a bishop elect who is in a same-sex relationship, even if monogamous and loving, is in opposition to the clear teaching of Holy Scripture, the historic teaching of the church, and the promulgated teaching of this Body of Christ known as the Episcopal Church by previous General Conventions;
And whereas the approval of a bishop in said lifestyle would become a pretext upon which the church would de facto resolve the question of the appropriateness of homosexual behavior without due reordering of the church’s teaching;
And whereas the approval of this consecration will bring profound consternation to many of our sisters and brothers at home and abroad, straining relationships within the Anglican Communion, and adversely affecting the mission and ministry of the church at home and abroad, the undersigned file this minority report and recommend rejection of C045.
Respectfully submitted,
(signed)
The Very Rev. Mark J. Lawrence
Anthony J. Clark
John E. Masters

Ain’t no way they wanted him a bishop.

And now he is.  ; > )

Don’t worry, Sarah, they’ll find a way to get rid of +Lawrence.  Dave “Show me the man and I’ll find the crime” Beers will be sure of it.

It’s near-axiomatic, judging from articles on various legal blogs, that telling the client what he wants to hear is very bad lawyering and will get the client into trouble sooner or later.  It’s hard to believe that Beers is unaware of this, or that his knowledge of the Canons is as shallow as it seems.  Hard to believe, but apparently true.

815’s entire strategy has been based for some time on the assumption that its bluffs would not be called.  I can only hope that DioSC is the first of many; the SCs of Dallas and Central Florida should follow suit.  Anyone know of any plans?

All I can say is to TEC is that if they truly want to grow and reconcile (which I highly doubt) with the orthodox among us there would no better diocese to serve as model of a growing and orthodox diocese than this one. Oh my, I did not realize how lucky I am to be in this diocese. God Bless you, Mark+ for taking this brave stand. 

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