Religious Intelligence: Vicar’s plan to overcome women bishops row

Posted by Kendall Harmon

Dr [John] Hartley outlines his plan in the latest issue of his parish magazine in an article headed "Let's collectivise the bishop". His scheme provides for:

* Reorganisation of all the dioceses to a size that could comfortably be led by one bishop and two suffragans;

* Abolition of the word "bishop";

* Each diocese being headed by a "College of Oversight" consisting of three people, including at least one man and one woman;

* At every confirmation and ordination, all three people being present, each of them laying hands on all the candidates;

* In appointing the college, all of its members receiving the laying-on of hands from all the members of at least three other diocesan colleges of oversight.

Read it all.

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16 Comments
Posted April 27, 2009 at 4:10 pm [Printer Friendly] [Print w/ comments]



1. nwlayman wrote:

“Oversight”.  OK, maybe think up a good Latin term for that…..Maybe, “Super-visor”?  No?  How about Greek.  Maybe “Epi-scopos” ??——Uh-oh, back where we started…

April 27, 4:14 pm | [comment link]
2. rugbyplayingpriest wrote:

ECCLESIOLOGY…that is what we need not silly inventions

April 27, 4:18 pm | [comment link]
3. RandomJoe wrote:

This is a joke right, like Thompson attempted the other day over at Holy Smoke?

April 27, 4:24 pm | [comment link]
4. A Senior Priest wrote:

I can’t think of anything worse.

April 27, 4:47 pm | [comment link]
5. Spiro wrote:

For two thousand years, the Church knew what it was doing, and did it right, except for a few mis-steps. Now, instead of steadfastness and fedility to that which had worked in the past, and continues to work, we are getting some half-baked ideas.

Is this a joke?

Fr. Kinglsey+

April 27, 4:58 pm | [comment link]
6. Dr. William Tighe wrote:

So, thanks to WO and “inclusivity,” the neopresbyterians finally get to undo the Elizabethan Settlement.

April 27, 5:09 pm | [comment link]
7. Hursley wrote:

Oh, yes, the Methodists and Anglicans are JUST the same—except for their understandings and practices regarding the Holy Eucharist (no talk of “real presence” for the Methodists), or apostolic succession of their bishops (which is a term Methodists use for the office, by the way, even though the Anglican vicar proposes that its use by dropped by Anglicans), or a few other things.  Hard to believe this guy could be so misinformed.

April 27, 5:19 pm | [comment link]
8. Ian+ wrote:

While we’re at it, let’s have the altar guild convenor and the head server lay hands on everybody too!

April 27, 5:28 pm | [comment link]
9. Pageantmaster [Katie bought Welby] wrote:

He’s been talking to Genpo?

April 27, 6:14 pm | [comment link]
10. driver8 wrote:

It’s Presbyterianism…

April 27, 6:32 pm | [comment link]
11. The_Archer_of_the_Forest wrote:

* Abolition of the word “bishop”;

* Each diocese being headed by a “College of Oversight” consisting of three people, including at least one man and one woman;

I believe that’s called a Presbytery.

April 27, 6:33 pm | [comment link]
12. Ralph wrote:

An elaboration on #1, nwlayman. The English word bishop comes from the Greek, episkopos. Epi = over (as in epicenter); skopos = having to do with sight (as in microscope). Overseer is the direct English translation. The Latin derivative would be Supervisor. The BDAG expands the full word as, “One who has the responsibility of safeguarding or seeing to it that something is done in the correct way.”

With all respect to Dr. Hartley, this plan is in essence creating a diocesan copastorate. That model almost never works well in a parish.

April 27, 7:51 pm | [comment link]
13. Jeremy Bonner wrote:

AotF (#11),

I was thinking that also. Great minds etc . . .

April 27, 8:59 pm | [comment link]
14. dwstroudmd+ wrote:

I say, confirmation that seminary education in jolly ol’ is on par with that at the ECUSA/TEC/GCC/EO-PAC.  One had hoped for a joke, but the chap seems serious.  I wonder is his Church History professor still alive or suffering a heart attack immediately from the shock?

April 27, 9:52 pm | [comment link]
15. Katherine wrote:

Eliminate the fuss over women bishops by eliminating bishops.  Oookay.

April 28, 12:21 am | [comment link]
16. The young fogey wrote:

What 3 and 6 said.

High-church libertarian curmudgeon

April 28, 8:25 am | [comment link]
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