Saint John’s in Stockport, California, Faces into some Recent History with former rector Dan Martins

Posted by Kendall Harmon

The latest twist involves the man who was pastor of St. John's in the run-up to the schism.

[The] Rev. Daniel H. Martins, St. John's pastor for 13 years, has become a bishop-elect in the Diocese of Springfield, Ill. - but in the original denomination.

The denomination St. John's decided to leave while Martins led it.

Some Episcopalians feel betrayed.

"I'm very surprised that he's turned around and has decided to go back to the Episcopal Church," said Al Lingo, "because he was a very, very avid opponent, and he led St. John's parishioners away from the Episcopal Church. And I'm sure it's a great, great surprise to the people of St. John's."

The original Diocese of San Joaquin has taken the unusual step of informing Springfield that Martins is a schismatic in sheep's clothing and should not be bishop....

Read it all.

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Posted October 31, 2010 at 6:32 am [Printer Friendly] [Print w/ comments]



1. Sarah wrote:

RE: “I’m very surprised that he’s turned around and has decided to go back to the Episcopal Church . . . “

Right—because when he left St. John’s prior to their departure from TEC, he went to an Episcopal parish in Northern Indiana and as anyone sane can tell, that’s “leaving The Episcopal Church.”

Bitter bitter bitter revisionist stayers.

My how they hate those who have stayed in TEC and differentiated themselves from the current leadership and direction of TEC.  They so so so so so so long for folks like Dan to leave.

Fun to see.

October 31, 8:35 am | [comment link]
2. Wilf wrote:

It’s also interesting that +Lamb or the EDSJ has gone to the press with their bid to deny Dan Martins of his consents.

It seems to be a further indication that TEC is intent upon adopting a “secular model” of politic rather than following church’s usual practices.  I would imagine that most non-TEC dioceses would feel that such an article in a secular news source is highly inappropriate, as it raises the spectre of the issue being influenced by a vox populi and pressure groups mainly informed by the secular media’s prejudices, rather than authentic reflection on the matter itself.

October 31, 9:03 am | [comment link]
3. Pageantmaster [Katie bought Welby] wrote:

One sees the hand of Jezebel behind this.  Dirty tricks.

October 31, 9:31 am | [comment link]
4. Dorpsgek wrote:

Jerry Lamb seems to be a very bitter person; such bitterness poisons the soul.  He needs to seek counseling

Ephesians 4:31-32 “Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.”
Matthew 5:44 “But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;”

October 31, 9:54 am | [comment link]
5. St. Nikao wrote:

So predictable. 

The culture of lust, lies and death always hates and opposes the Gospel and the Lord of Love, Truth and Life. 

In one of his many brilliant observations about TEC and the AC, Captain Yips has this to say (see especially his last two) about the revisionists:
“But not the sharpest satire, not the most robust analysis, will alter the course that they have set upon.  The whole-heartedly Progressive Episcopalian is armored head to toe against any conversation I have the power to start.”
(http://captainyips.typepad.com/)

October 31, 10:55 am | [comment link]
6. Chris Taylor wrote:

A prediction: he will not get the needed consents.  The powers that be have their hands full with +Lawrence, they don’t want another.

October 31, 11:51 am | [comment link]
7. martin5 wrote:

Looking at the TEC San Joaquin ASA stats for 2009:
3 churches: 100+ 
5 churches: 50 - 99
2 churches: 30 - 49
10 churches: under 29
They probably are dealing with some bitter  issues here and they have decided to take it out on Fr. Martins’ election. If Fr. Martins doesn’t received the required consents, then this may have more reaching impact than Glasspool’s. I hope someone keeps track on the consents.

October 31, 1:21 pm | [comment link]
8. Capt. Father Warren wrote:

Know the anger of thy enemy.  I remember posting the day after Fr. Dan won the election that I hoped he would get the consents needed.  Several replies sort of chastised me for thinking such a thing, that he would get the consents with ease.

Looking at how the San Joaquin thing has gone and thinking how much treasure TEC must be pumping into SJ and the lawsuits, I had a feeling this type of vitriol was on the way.  And we probably haven’t seen the worst yet.  This is naked pure hate, pure and simple.

October 31, 2:07 pm | [comment link]
9. Intercessor wrote:

There is no such city named “Stockport”...it is called Stockton…and yes it does have a port.
Intercessor

October 31, 2:16 pm | [comment link]
10. fatherlee wrote:

Thank you intercessor.

October 31, 4:31 pm | [comment link]
11. Cennydd13 wrote:

I think +Lamb stepped way out of line with his letter to his fellow bishops.

October 31, 4:55 pm | [comment link]
12. Fr. Carter Croft+ wrote:

O God our Father, whose Son forgave his enemies while he
was suffering shame and death: Strengthen Fr. Dan Martins, who suffers for the sake of conscience; when he is accused, save him
from speaking in hate; when he is rejected, save him
from bitterness; when he is persecuted, save him from
despair; and to us your servants, give grace to respect his
witness and to discern the truth, that our Church may be
cleansed and strengthened. This we ask for the sake of Jesus
Christ, our merciful and righteous Judge.  Amen.

October 31, 5:16 pm | [comment link]
13. TLDillon wrote:

By their fruits you shall know them…..all of them on both sides

October 31, 6:53 pm | [comment link]
14. dwstroudmd+ wrote:

Ahh, inclusivity at work ... again ... and in the same manner.  Consistency is as it does and reveals truth to outsiders, eh?

November 1, 8:06 am | [comment link]
15. billqs wrote:

IIRC, what is SO ridiculous is that Fr. Martins, not only didn’t leave TEC, he even expressed opinions about Diocese of San Joaquin leaving that were not in lock-step with what the leavers were expressing, and he took much heat for it on Stand Firm.  Fr. Martins is the embodiment of a reasserting stayer and has made no bones about it.  If TEC were true to its propaganda, they would welcome the “diversity” of opinion he would bring to the HOB.

November 1, 9:39 am | [comment link]
16. Timothy Fountain wrote:

I have sent a letter, including the full text of Fr. Dan’s statement (see his blog for 11/1), to the Bp. and Standing Cmte. here in South Dakota.  I recommend that folks still in TEC take that action in their dioceses.

November 1, 4:54 pm | [comment link]
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