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And, if you’re following what’s happening, what you’re seeing is the conservatives who have left, now that they’re out, and their identity was defined in part by what they were against as well as the Gospel they were for, trying to figure out how to live together, and how they should live, has actually been harder than they thought, and they’ve actually started to divide among themselves. And so, one of the current tragedies is the group that has left looks very American and very Protestant and very chaotic. And that just has to owned on the front end. I wish it were different, but they are having a hard time cohering and working together. And that is a problem not simply for them, but also for the other conservatives in the Episcopal Church, because they have said, essentially, “this is the faithful way to do this and you need to come join us.” And I just need to tell you that, in all sorts of ways, and I say this with a very sad heart, it’s not attractive. They’re really struggling. So that’s one side.
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2. evan miller wrote:
As a member of what was perhaps the first parish to leave TEC after the consecration of +Robinson, I agree 100% with what Kendall. That said, he is soooo fortunate to be in the dioces of SC. Had I been there, I’d still be in TEC. May 2, 10:59 am | [comment link] |
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3. MichaelA wrote:
“and they’ve actually started to divide among themselves.” ACNA thus far is not remotely like the Continuum, and it is far too early to suggest that it will be. In fact, I venture to suggest that the latest developments indicate it is less likely to go that way. I appreciate that some people who have remained in TEC have been just waiting for ACNA to fall apart. I am not saying that Canon Harmon is one of those. But I suggest we all restrain our urge to rush to swift judgment. It is simply too early to call this. “their identity was defined in part by what they were against as well as the Gospel they were for” Every true Christian is defined to some extent by what he is against, as well as what he is for. “because they have said, essentially, “this is the faithful way to do this and you need to come join us.”” Yes, some have said that. Equally, some who have remained in TEC have said that that is the only faithful way. There are also many (including the Global South primates, I might add) who see value in both paths. May 2, 11:05 am | [comment link] |
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4. okifan18 wrote:
All you have to do is look at the recent activities with AMIA to see that what is spoken of is dangerously present. There are now three AMIA groups in a sense—those with chuck murphy, those with terrell glenn and rwanda, and some coming into acna. That is only one of many example. May 2, 11:14 am | [comment link] |
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5. Timothy Fountain wrote:
And as Kendall was perhaps too modest or charitable to “reassert” here, a recent interview revealed that he’s been beaten up far worse by the leavers than by reappraisers in TEC! May 2, 11:55 am | [comment link] |
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6. Clueless wrote:
Praying for all of you. It is unbearably sad. I feel particulaly sorry for the reasserting bishops. May 2, 12:19 pm | [comment link] |
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7. episcoanglican wrote:
“trying to figure out how to live together, and how they should live, has actually been harder than they thought” |
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8. francis wrote:
1. SC has an option. Someone living in WDC or OH does not, and have not had for 40 years. There can be two faithful options in dealing with TEC. 2. AMiA is not ACNA. The sins of AMiA cannot be blamed on ANCA when, in fact, ACNA has developed their structure to include AMiA from the beginning. So painting ACNA with the AMiA disposition is both a wide and improper stroke. 3. So, in fact, both options available in dealing with TEC tend to treat the ‘other option’ in the same way. Truce time yet? May 2, 1:04 pm | [comment link] |
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9. Teatime2 wrote:
I agree entirely with Canon Harmon’s words. I don’t mean criticism against the good souls involved. The intrinsic problem with taking such actions is that the process is, to some degree and at some level, always political. And when it is political, it becomes part of the identity, unfortunately. As in, this is St. Brigid’s Anglican Church, formed by “reasserting Anglicans” who left TEC, I wonder what they think about such-and-such new flavor. It’s self-perpetuating. That goes both ways, of course. There are folks on the other side, I’m sure, who would much rather return to a quieter, more neutral and prayerful existence but their names will always be part of the “new thing” and the expectation of them may be to participate in other “new things.” Such is the nature of the beast. It reminds me of my son when he was small, especially around Christmastime. He would get so revved up that he would spin between people, toys, food, activities and we would try to get him to return to a normal, steady state. In frustration, he would wail, “but I CAN’T, I don’t know how!” He would unwind gradually in fits and starts until he just slumped into sheer exhaustion. I think we’re starting to see the wind down and the slump in this situation. Coming from the RCC as I did, I don’t believe there is a church that has it completely right and behaves well even most of the time. They simply don’t because they’re comprised of infuriating people. I’ve seen the RCC held up as a paragon and wonder if the folks who hold it in such esteem and thinks it ponders moral issues with complete orthodoxy all of the time have read that particular church’s wrestling with abortion in previous centuries. Thomas Aquinas made some very shudder-worthy pronouncements about “ensoulment” and “female” souls, in particular. I don’t recall it rupturing the church. Do I think that much of what the reappraisers are asserting is wrong-headed? Yep. But I think their “wrong-headedness” will be borne out over time and I see no need to march out of my parish home singing, “Onward Christian Soldiers.” I am fed there, I find community there, and I don’t have to know or agree with the opinions of everyone in the congregation, just as my friends are far from being carbon copies of myself. The clergy don’t preach heresy and they’re very dedicated. We Christians exist in and generally recognize a rather unusual time continuum. Our central act of worship simultaneously puts us in a place more than 2,000 years ago within present time and with the whole company of Heaven. In Jesus, we have all of Creation history dwelling with us in this time and space. When you consider that, it seems rather difficult to put so much stock in and emphasis on a very tiny (in the grand scheme of things) group of wrong-headed people in the church and their rather silly arguments and activities. IMO, a strong reaction to them gives them far more power and importance than they actually hold and/or deserve. Time, history, and probably even the sciences will eventually bear out the problems with their “reasoning” and arguments. May 2, 1:19 pm | [comment link] |
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10. Jim the Puritan wrote:
Some of us are going through “deja vu all over again.” In the late nineties I couldn’t take it any longer and left for a Biblically centered PCUSA church that has steadily grown since I started going (we are about three times the size we were when I first started attending, and actually have had to move to a new site because we outgrew our former sanctuary). And yet now we find the same agents of Satan, and all the same games and lies being played out in PCUSA. We are told to be inclusive, to have “conversations” with those who may hold “different but equally valid views,” to honor “local options” to depart from Scripture that won’t impinge on our rights and beliefs, and see all the rest of the poison that has destroyed TEC. Right now my church is safe, we are in an orthodox presbytery, but I know it’s only a matter of time before Satan is at our doorstep. We all tend to be too polite, but Scripture specifically tells us to call these people out as evil, and throw them out of the church (e.g., I Cor. 5:11). Our failure to do that has led us to where we are today. The only thing I would counsel is that, no matter where you are at, the only way to combat these things is by prayer and by making people knowledgeable of Scripture. We have fallen to Satan’s wiles because, through his pastors and priests, he has been able to keep people ignorant and separated from God’s power. Where Satan controls a church, he gives just enough of a facade of Christianity to inoculate people from the real thing. So start a prayer group and Bible study at your church, and if your church tries to block that you know it is time to leave. (Something I have seen personally in the past 12 months, when I offered to help a friend start an Alpha course at his TEC church, a proposal which was immediately shut down by the rector as not compatible with TEC.) May 2, 2:43 pm | [comment link] |
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11. Milton wrote:
I hope a link to T19’s sister blog Stand Firm in Faith is not inappropos here on a related post: |
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12. Sarah wrote:
RE: “But the tide has not stopped rising and they too may find they have no other choice than to embrace the inherent problems of an ACNA path with its attendant characteristics . . . “ Oh, I can think of another choice for the Diocese of South Carolina—and that is that if they get kicked out of TEC [a 50/50 possibility in my opinion] that they not “embrace” an “ACNA path” at all but simply sit quietly and in strength, allowing other parishes, clergy, and laity outside of their diocese to affiliate with them. That is my hope of their path, as their joining the “ACNA path” would be a non-starter for many in TEC who are salivating over being a part of the Diocese of South Carolina sometime in the future as TEC continues to melt down further. And for SC to become a part of ACNA would weaken and harm South Carolina as a diocese, and I don’t want that for either me or its bishop or its laypeople and clergy. RE: “I appreciate that some people who have remained in TEC have been just waiting for ACNA to fall apart. I am not saying that Canon Harmon is one of those. But I suggest we all restrain our urge to rush to swift judgment. It is simply too early to call.” No, most of us don’t notice ACNA *enough* because we’re busy with our own issues within TEC—but when “news” comes along—like oh say: We’re not waiting for ACNA to fall apart—we *know* it will last forever. We’re just watching in horror as every six months or so things get worse, not better. Of course, that’s true with TEC as well. I talk with ACNA folks all the time—I have friends all over the US in ACNA parishes—people who had no other option if they wanted to maintain their Anglican worship within an Anglican entity—and I get many emails from them and we have had many long phone conversations. It’s not just we TEC people who are noticing these things. A whole lot of laity are deeply concerned—and it’s those people—my friends—about whom I’m concerned the most. May 2, 4:33 pm | [comment link] |
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13. Randy Hoover-Dempsey wrote:
Thank you for posting this Kendall. Here’s a part of your presentation that I liked: And Jeremiah says something that is remarkable in the twenty-ninth chapter. He says the opposite, he says “you’ve experienced a great loss. The way forward is to be faithful in small things, because by being faithful in small things in your own local context, God will build the future and the hope that He has for you.” So here’s what he says at a practical level in chapter twenty nine, in the midst of that verse I quoted to you: “Build houses, get married, raise faithful children.” I mean, talk about dinky. “Hey, what do you mean, we lost our temple, this is terrible.” You think about that story, when they return, which is, if you know that story, seventy years later it is only because of the faith of those parents and those marriages and those children that they had a faith to return with. See, it only seems little to us because we’re looking at it from our perspective. But to God, faithfulness in little things is never a little thing, but in a time of judgment and exile it’s absolutely crucial. And that is where I find hope. May 2, 4:37 pm | [comment link] |
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14. Sarah wrote:
I loved that section as well, Randy. It’s very practical and helps me focus on “one day at a time” work and faithfulness. May 2, 4:45 pm | [comment link] |
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15. episcoanglican wrote:
“Oh, I can think of another choice for the Diocese of South Carolina—and that is that if they get kicked out of TEC [a 50/50 possibility in my opinion] that they not “embrace” an “ACNA path” at all but simply sit quietly and in strength, allowing other parishes, clergy, and laity outside of their diocese to affiliate with them. That is my hope of their path, as their joining the “ACNA path” would be a non-starter for many in TEC who are salivating over being a part of the Diocese of South Carolina sometime in the future as TEC continues to melt down further. And for SC to become a part of ACNA would weaken and harm South Carolina as a diocese, and I don’t want that for either me or its bishop or its laypeople and clergy.” —- this is just bizarre myopic thinking… And seems to direct hostility and derision in all the wrong directions. May 2, 6:21 pm | [comment link] |
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16. tjmcmahon wrote:
““Oh, I can think of another choice for the Diocese of South Carolina—and that is that if they get kicked out of TEC [a 50/50 possibility in my opinion] that they not “embrace” an “ACNA path” at all but simply sit quietly and in strength, allowing other parishes, clergy, and laity outside of their diocese to affiliate with them.” |
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17. RalphM wrote:
I’m always ready to cheer on +Lawrence and I wish the DioSC well. Not sure why those outside of ACNA spend a lot of time trying to ID problems in ACNA. Is it because of a need to justify staying in TEC? Those of us in ACNA made a choice: stay with TEC which is rotten at the top or go with a group that is trying, however imperfectly, to follow Christ. May 2, 11:46 pm | [comment link] |
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18. evan miller wrote:
All of the points Sarah makes in 12 above are very valid and worry me a great deal. For some of us, ACNA is the only option out there and I work and pray for its success, but that doesn’t mean I am blind to the very real perils we face, among which are those things Sarah mentions. May 3, 9:32 am | [comment link] |
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19. Sarah wrote:
RE: “this is just bizarre myopic thinking… “ Right—because it’s bizarre and myopic of somebody to not want the Diocese of South Carolina to hurt itself by being a part of Yet Another Anglican Entity that has made deeply flawed and harmful decisions about its identity. The gall of someone like me wishing that! RE: “It just makes South Carolina a mini ACNA. At the Communion level, they will be recognized only by those who already recognize ACNA, so the functional difference will not exist- they become just one more continuing Anglican Church.” Hi TJ—it’s odd to me that you would equate any US Anglican entity outside of TEC as “mini ACNA.” Of course there can be Anglican entities outside of TEC that are not “mini ACNA.” My listing only part of a very very large list of the decisions that ACNA has made regarding its identity does not in any way imply that those issues are necessarily part and parcel of being “an entity outside of TEC.” They are not. RE: “Not sure why those outside of ACNA spend a lot of time trying to ID problems in ACNA.” RalphM, perhaps because there are those inside ACNA who state “they have no other choice than to embrace the inherent problems of an ACNA path with its attendant characteristics” thus implying that the poor choices that ACNA has made regarding its identity are somehow inevitable “inherent problems” and that embracing “an ACNA path” is the only option if what is not inside TEC. Evan, thank you for your clear-eyed, matter-of-fact vision of reality. There aren’t a whole lot of people within ACNA who will say such things publicly. Though there’s only one way I can imagine being a part of an Anglican entity should I leave TEC [and it’s a long shot, regarding the Diocese of SC], I understand that others believe it is necessary for them to be a part of an Anglican entity in the event of departure from TEC, and in that case, they simply don’t have many choices. I don’t begrudge any orthodox Anglican the truly painful choices that they are having to make, though I’m certainly not going to put a happy face on the options confronting all of us. May 3, 10:20 am | [comment link] |
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20. victorianbarbarian wrote:
Part of the argument the Diocese of Fort Worth has been making in our lawsuit defense is the characterization of TEC’s polity as an association of independent dioceses. A similar characterization seems to be behind Sarah’s suggestion that the Diocese of South Carolina, if forced out of TEC, to “simply sit quietly and in strength, allowing other parishes, clergy, and laity outside of their diocese to affiliate with them.” I’m not sure that ACNA is any tighter than that view of TEC’s historical bonds, and my impression is that it is in fact looser (I may be wrong but haven’t really noticed much local impact). I suppose that the point in which it will really start having an effect is when (1) Bishop Iker retires or otherwise has to be replaced, and (2) when and if a new Prayer Book gets adopted. From ground level (well, actually from the choir loft), it looks pretty much like what I think Sarah is suggesting. May 3, 11:22 am | [comment link] |
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21. bettcee wrote:
My concern about the future of both the ACNA and TEC is not their organizational difficulties but that the church should show concern for the welfare and guidance of children and young people who are, after all, future church leaders. TEC as an institution does not show much concern for the Christian education of children but there are times when it seems to me that some conservatives also get caught up in institutional problems and lose sight of the importance of leading children in the paths of Christian righteousness. |
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22. jamesw wrote:
tjmcmahon: I agree with Sarah’s comments in #19. My problems with the ACNA have nothing to do with the fact that they departed TEC but rather with how it is conducting itself post-departure. I still think that it would have been much better if the North American Anglican diaspora had been content to live in temporary arrangements as exiles for a time. So much about the ACNA seems to me to be slap-dash, knee jerk reactions to events, without a great deal of thought given to long-term consequences. This isn’t because it is no longer part of TEC, but rather the path that its leadership chose to follow. This doesn’t mean that we either should or shouldn’t be a part of the ACNA, but surely, there are plentiful grounds for constructive criticism. What is done today in North American Anglicanism will have profound long-term effects. With the ACNA flip-flopping all over the place, loathe to insist on firm boundaries, we all need to ask ourselves what this will mean for the long-term? So far, Bishop Mark Lawrence and the Diocese of South Carolina has been the only sane haven in a crazy world of North American Anglicanism. I would hope that would continue in the unfortunate circumstance that the fools running TEC would expel that noble diocese and its bishop. May 3, 7:03 pm | [comment link] |
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23. tjmcmahon wrote:
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24. evan miller wrote:
#23 |
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25. jamesw wrote:
tjmcmahon: I am heartily in agreement with your post #23. I can see many instances in which I could be associated with an ACNA congregation as well as with a TEC congregation. My point is that we should not be drawing clear lines, but rather wherever we are - be it TEC or ACNA - work towards the long-term viability of a robust, orthodox North American Anglicanism in a context that we can be fed with the authentic Gospel. May 4, 7:09 pm | [comment link] |
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26. Sarah wrote:
TJ, I agree with much of your comment above in #23. Just in order to be clear, the parts that I disagree with are: RE: “I was merely pointing out that if the diocese of South Carolina were to either leave or be thrown out of TEC, it would not make much sense for it to set itself up as “yet one more continuing church” in the Anglican world, and that from the point of view of the Communion, it would not have any more official recognition by the current Communion structures than ACNA does.” I agree that it would not have any more official recognition by the current Communion structures than ACNA does. But it would not have to “set itself up” either. It would merely need to stand still, whereas for it to *join* ACNA would merely place it further into a solid stream of dysfunction. Why on earth would a healthy, whole diocese wish to do that? I can’t imagine. RE: “And that parishes trying to leave TEC to join such an entity would bring upon themselves the same legal assault as they would by joining ACNA.” Absolutely—no question about that. But parishes, individuals, and clergy—especially many of the individuals and clergy—think that ACNA is a permanent wasteland [see my comment #12] and not at all solely because of “disorganization.” RE: “ACNA’s root problem is that the entities that it encompasses have never decided to be a unified Church . . . “ I disagree with this. I think the root problems lie far far earlier than its geographic/diocesan decisions, though those decisions are symptomatic. So we get back to this. My issues with ACNA aren’t “disorganization”—that’s way way way too surface a descriptive adjective for the chaos and dysfunctionality I see. “Disorganization” can be overcome and changed. The stuff I see [and listed above] is, in my opinion, permanent and intrinsic to the dna of ACNA. May 13, 12:40 pm | [comment link] |
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27. bettcee wrote:
It is pretty obvious that The Episcopal Church has just as many organizational problems as does the ACNA so it seems to me that we would be wise to cooperate and support other Anglican organizations regardless of what we think the outcome of their struggles as a church will be. |
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28. Jim the Puritan wrote:
#27—We had a discussion in one of my Sunday school groups about this recently. We talked about the dangers of “inoculation churches,” churches that teach just enough about pseudo-Christianity that young people are inoculated into believing they don’t have to come to church or do anything in their lives, yet still will be considered “good Christians” who will go to heaven no matter what they do or not do. May 14, 12:11 am | [comment link] |
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The Continuum went through this struggle years ago, with people having difficulty focusing on what lay in front of them as they obsessed over what they had left behind. The lack of strong organization and authority in the early years also led to a great deal of political infighting, as well as attracting many opportunists who wanted to be clergy, but whose calling was not from God, but from their own egos.
The only real remedy for this is time, experience, coming to grips with the reality that the old must be truly left behind, working to eliminate politics, and putting structures in place to ensure that the clergy serve the church, rather than try to run it. Granted, that’s asking nothing short of a miracle - but Christ has performed more than a few miracles in the past, and the present state of the Continuum (focused on “classical Anglicanism”, the faith as practiced for centuries; gradually reuniting; and having shaken out most of the politics and princely clergy) shows that it can be done.
As a Continuuer myself, the best advice I could give would be: Make practicing your faith the most important thing within your parish, diocese, and jurisdiction. It’s easy to become embittered, or to spend more time criticizing those who didn’t leave than to focus on living the faith you left in order to preserve.
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