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2. MichaelA wrote:
Bishop Fields writes:
That is good news re the “many”. Does anyone know any details about this? I have heard that ++Chew of South East Asia felt a great burden for outreach in mainland China, and that the Chinese government has held talks with Global South bishops. But does anyone know any more? November 19, 4:26 am | [comment link] |
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3. MichaelA wrote:
Statmann at #1, many thanks for those details. What is the diocese like, in terms of orthodoxy? There seems to have been some activity by independent Anglicans early on. Bishop William Cox assisted a church plant in Springfield MO in 2005. CANA planted another congregation in Springfield in 2009. Both now appear to have a full-time priest, so they can’t be doing too badly. There is also an REC congregation up in Joplin, but doesn’t appear to be anything in Kansas City. November 19, 4:47 am | [comment link] |
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4. Terry Tee wrote:
I am somewhat surprised at the reference to Chinese Christians being Anglicans. I thought that after the Communist revolution that all Protestant churches were subsumed into one broad-brush state-controlled denomination. Anglicans do not operate there independently - and there is renewed persecution of the branch of the Catholic Church loyal to the Pope, while the state-approved Patriotic Catholic Church is given many benefits. November 19, 7:45 am | [comment link] |
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5. MichaelA wrote:
Father Tee, I believe it is fairly clear that the vast majority of Christians in China operate independently of the government. About ten years ago, the Chinese government gave out that there were about 15 million Christians in China - about 4 million Roman Catholics and about 11 million Protestants. At the same time, numerous outside groups estimated the number of members of “house churches” (i.e. churches with no official sanction) between 50 million to 100 million! I don’t doubt +Field when he says that there are some Anglicans in China. There has to be. And I note that last year the Chinese government hosted delegations from the Anglican Global South in China, and government delegations have also visited Global South meetings - this wouldn’t happen unless there were significant number of Anglicans in China. But I have no idea of what the numbers are supposed to be. This article contains excerpts from a translation of an official government paper bemoaning the spread of unofficial Christianity in China. The translation was produced by Overseas Missionary Fellowship, formerly known as the China Inland Mission, founded by J. Hudson Taylor in the 19th century. In recent years it has evangelised very effectively among Chinese outside of China - since many of them go back to visit or live, this is one of the main vectors of evaneglisation, However, I had understood that to mean that most Christians in China lacked western denominational connections: http://geoconger.wordpress.com/2011/09/02/china-in-danger-from-evangelism-communist-party-adviser-warns-the-church-of-england-newspaper-sep-2-2011-p-6/ Note that the government author estimates the number of non-official protestants in 2011 at 40 million. The unofficial catholics are smaller but not insignificant - they would easily carry the whole grouping over the 50 million mark. And the author admits that this is the most conservative estimate. Praise the Lord. November 19, 6:09 pm | [comment link] |
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+Martin should consider that since 2002 the diocese has seen ASA down by 22 percent, inflation adjusted Plate & Pledge down 15 percent, Infant Baptisms down 41 percent, and Marraiges down 42 percent. BUT the number of churches are ddown less than 6 percent. TEC is drowning in Real Estate. Statmann
November 18, 10:47 pm | [comment link]