The ironic thing here is that 815 already has this information in hand, or for lack of it. Compliant parishes submit parish reports each year. Non affiliated ones don’t. Compare the lists, diocese by diocese, each for succeeding years and then contact the diocesan offices and ask “did St Joe’s close down or affiliate with other entities?”

If Schori is correct, this ought to take one person about a week. On the other hand, if she is wrong, then it might be an endless task.

With all the lawyering that he does, how does Saul have time to be bishop?  I mean preaching, teaching, being a shepherd to his priests, prayer, study, you know, those things we are ordained to do.

One slight correction:  It’s not “their” property to begin with.

An interesting analysis.  I don’t think the Global South Primates are going to buy a “deal” coming out of the HOB meeting if there is one.

While it’s not the point of the article, I can’t shake the model of the Berlin Wall for the way TEC seeks to retain parishes…

RalphM

Not unlike Israel occupying the Golan Heights and Gaza Strip, possession of a strong position allows negotiation from strength and thus allows the stronger party to obtain what it really wants in the end.  At some level someone within the HOB must know that TEC does not gain by ownership of a string of empty buildings; is it perhaps setting up its ability to give in areas with which it does not care, but keep those things it really wants?

Negotiate from strength so that you can intimidate in order to get what you want.

About as far as you can get from the example of Jesus.

But Jesus did say in our dealings with the world we are to be “as harmless as doves, yet as wise as serpents”.  When dealing with an entity who only wants our eradication (sort of like Hamaas with Israel), one has to be very careful how one approaches and makes deals with them.

“Du vill be included un du vill LIKE it!”

#7. Dear Jim,  I do not know of one reasserter who prays for the eradication of TEC.  On the contrary, I know many who still pray for the enlightenment of that body.  Many also are staying in TEC beyond any reasonable expectation trying to turn them around.  Others of us see it a lost cause and have left.  But we have not left with malice.  All the malice seems directed at us.  With the covering of Christ, we can bear it.    —Stan

Tony, I live in Sauls’ diocese and have many contacts within the diocese.  There isn’t much left here to “shepherd” so he needs this to keep busy.  Even some who share Sauls’ gay rights agenda don’t approve of the way he does business.

And I know of absolutely no one who prays for the “eradication” of anyone else, including reasserters.  To equate the Episcopal Church with a terrorist organization like Hamas (#7), who brutally murders and uses children as shields, is among the most absurdly ridiculous mischaracterizations I’ve seen and it is completely uncalled for. 

Despite the sometimes incomprehensible rhetoric of those like Akinola who have made the statement that the EC threatens peoples’ lives, the only people I’m aware of who have actually had death threats against them are the Rt. Rev. Gene Robinson and others who voted for his confirmation.  Those threats are not made by anyone of reasonable mind, from whatever direction, but are made from those, even within our own church, who are vehemently opposed to him.  Sounds far more like Hamas to me than a Church who understands what it means to pray for those who are working for it demise.

Mr. Sauls is not helping anyone to want to join his so-called “church” by wanting to sue former members.  There will come a point when someone will countersue him and Mr. Beers too, and clean them out.  Sauls should stop while he is still ahead.  It has been ten months since I left TEC with my parish, in order to join CANA.  Life is GREAT without TEC!