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2. robroy wrote:
Whether global warming is a natural cycle or not is irrelevant. The trade deficit is real and is harming our children’s future. Money to muslim countries is funding terrorism and proselytization. This money, as pointed out by a commenter on the discussion, is much less than the farm subsidies doled out for not growing. December 28, 7:01 pm | [comment link] |
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I was educated as a physicist and have used the disciplines of physics analytically as an engineer. In engineering, there is a large chasm between highly innovative concepts and economically achievable results. Astute engineers also comprehend that there are also unanticipated outcomes in any major innovation. For example, asbestos was a miracle mineral in the 1920s and today it is a pariah. Chlorinated hydrocarbons were an answer to fire hazards in electrical power generation and distribution and today they also are pariahs. Solar power requires surface area. That is, solar collectors have to be huge if they are to have a huge energy impact. Maybe, we should return to nuclear energy and use the over fifty years of experience that we have in its energy generation capability. There have been problems, mostly those in the former Soviet Union, but the track record of the Western nations is very good. Not perfect, but very good. Within the United States, the Navy can provide the infrastructure for a nuclear energy program. December 28, 10:41 pm | [comment link] |
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The authors are at best spurious engineers. The environmental impacts of their concepts are also not very well thought out. IN re engineering: IN re environmental effects: the concept that vast areas of the SW US are going to be PVA’d without vast environmental and economic disturbance is patently absurd. Consider the resistance in many locales to large wind farms and add to that factor the concept that PVAs make the land underneath an environmental vacuum suitable only for human habitation in the manner of Trantor in I. Asimov’s “Foundation” series. I haven’t bothered to push the finances portrayed in this article, but I suspect that they might be equally suspicious as well. Fortunately, this type of project doesn’t need financial analysis, as its engineering aspects make it untenable in the first instance. December 29, 9:20 am | [comment link] |
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5. Harvey wrote:
By the way, I’ll butt in and ask a question about the manufacture of solar cells. I believe I read somewhere that the making of such cells requires a lot of “bad” chemistry and proper “waste disposal”. Did I read it wrong? Comments please!! December 29, 1:44 pm | [comment link] |
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6. robroy wrote:
Harvey, look at the comment section of the article. That is addressed. Solar cells are about 0.1 per cent cadmium. Pretty toxic stuff but it is encased in glass. And the article talks about two solar energy methods. Solar cells which convert into electricity which requires cadmium and molten salt collectors which do not. The plan calls for exploring both initially. December 29, 2:08 pm | [comment link] |
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7. robroy wrote:
Tom Roberts: I was intrigued by the high pressure storage systems, but the article states that these are being used right now in Germany with an efficiency of lead-acid batteries. December 29, 2:11 pm | [comment link] |
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8. Tom Roberts wrote:
... and the system efficiency of lead acid batteries, especially on a large scale, is pretty bad. That is why so much effort for electric cars is being put into better batteries, which are also safe during collisions. |
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9. Tom Roberts wrote:
#5- manufacturing the silicon support circuits, on the scale anticipated, would also involve very large amounts of wash water. Now, this is a major unresolved environmental impact of the whole microelectronics industry, and on this scale would be necessary to address. But here you end up with yet another issue to pay to resolve before you get to the great solar paradise. December 29, 2:22 pm | [comment link] |
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10. Tom Roberts wrote:
#7- the major obstacle in increasing the efficiency of lead acid batteries is the DC/AC and reverse rectifiers. If you are simply sticking DC into the battery and then taking DC out, without having to produce AC power (which is what a car does), then the batteries are not terrible. Nothing heroic, but not terrible. But rectifiers generally are about 50% efficient at best. So you take something that is not that great and then divide by 2 or more. And if you want to use just DC power, recall that Tesla won that AC/DC squabble with Edison. It will work in your vacation cabin. It won’t power a grid. December 29, 2:29 pm | [comment link] |
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11. robroy wrote:
The “compressed air batteries” can directly generate AC current by having the turbine drive an AC generator. AC in, AC out. No rectifiers needed. December 29, 5:30 pm | [comment link] |
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12. Tom Roberts wrote:
Indeed, but comparing them to DC lead acid batteries isn’t very flattering, wrt efficiencies. The reason why this occurs is due to the circumscribed cycle paths of gas working fluid heat engines. Without a phase change at the heat exchangers the turbines let a great deal of power out the exhaust. |
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13. RevK wrote:
Ang First, Harvey, West Texas A&M;University has a large portion of their school dedicated to alternative energy including the ‘Alternative Energy Institute.’ December 29, 10:00 pm | [comment link] |
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How would they square this plan with those who are standing for preservation of natural lands?
It seems to me that requiring tracts of land this huge would seriously impact natural habitats, damaging or destroying some, much more so than drilling in ANWR or the Gulf of Mexico off Florida.
And of course we know that over 500 scientists have recently come outin support of Global Warming being a naturally occuring cycle as opposed to a man-made threat. (That’s 500 in addition to those already out there saying this.)
December 28, 5:55 pm | [comment link]