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2. robroy wrote:
This is a cross post but an important one, I think. Could the legal eagles weigh in on what I said at Stand Firm?
The ENS article is from Dec 18, 2006. November 16, 9:21 am | [comment link] |
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3. Steven in Falls Church wrote:
Rob Roy—The quote from the article does give evidence supporting the division argument. However, TEC’s rejoinder is that “division” is a term of art and, for purposes of the statute, it can only mean a division consented to by TEC through its national governing structures. Thus, although KJS may use the term division in conversation or in comments to the media, she has no authority on her own to declare a division for purposes of triggering the Virginia statute. What this will come down to is whether the judge accepts TEC’s attempt to insert into the statute a meaning that I think is plainly missing, that a divison must first be consented to and approved by the governing authorities of the church being allegedly divided. If you read the CANA parishes’ brief, which contrasts the language of the division statute to other Virginia statutory provisions that do specifically contemplate decisions by church governing authorities, I think TEC’s arguments are tenuous. November 16, 9:41 am | [comment link] |
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4. robroy wrote:
Division is like pornography…I know it when I see it. It would be totally contrary to the writers of the Virginia 57-9 law that allows one side to define division, or rather put a sack over their heads and say, “I don’t see any division” or rather, say there is division a year ago, then say there is no division now (after David Booth Beers reminded them of the wording of the law). I hope the judge sees this farce for what it is. November 16, 10:34 am | [comment link] |
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5. robroy wrote:
An aside: Mary (Baby Blue), we love you but the white text on your black background is very hard to read. How about black text on a…baby blue background??? November 16, 10:39 am | [comment link] |
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6. BabyBlue wrote:
I understand, robroy! I guess the best way I can explain it is that it’s a bit of a low-key noir-expressionism on my part emphasizing the events that we talk about at the Cafe. It’s a mood. bb November 16, 10:46 am | [comment link] |
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This elf also finds the white on black really hard on the eyes. I usually read the posts in an RSS feed, or copy and paste them into a word processor. But no matter what color, please keep up your wonderful reporting BB. It’s been fascinating reading. You rock! November 16, 11:47 am | [comment link] |
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8. robroy wrote:
Dr. N (not Noll) over at SF wrote:
It is always helpful to have a laugh in the midst of our tears! November 16, 1:32 pm | [comment link] |
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Accusing someone of being a liar is a strong statement but I think it is appropriate here as ++KJS was finally forced to confirm that she outright lied to her fellow primates:
I am not certain how this will go over as a matter of law—it may actually help TEC by showing that there is no hierarchical authority within the global Communion whatsoever. However, this duplicitousness will be greeted poorly by primates that are currently on the fence concerning TEC, and it is very, very unchristian.
November 16, 9:10 am | [comment link]