If you took a look at the majority of the people I trained for holy orders with the decline in numbers would surprise…because there shouldn’t be anyone left at all!

Most of the college comprised of dull middle aged frumpy looking people who were big on being ‘nice’ and wooly on almost everything esle.  A great bugle of middle classed numpties looking to save themselves from mental breakdown…which in many cases had in fact already started.  Tragically uninspiring folk with fashion sense akin to that of a blind man dressing in a clown’s emporium.

Recruitment and training and orthodoxy are key. Where you have strong leadership and great vision the numbers grow. But the C of E long ago decided to turn a sacred vocation into ‘mummies hobby when the kids leave home’.

#2: Is it not the case that more women than men are now being ordained in England & that many of them are in their 40s and 50s? How is that going to reverse decline?

#1 That’s really very funny… problem is we don’t have the money to keep anyone with fashion sense so we have to rely on those who have made enough money in their first career and bought their house…then we let them fulfil their vocation in an unremitting stream of burials.

You get out what you put in.

#3 Well it would be funny…were it not true. Honestly the number of inspirational ordinands with leadership skills is alarmingly small.

Instead the system plucks its own and everyone sits around in ‘self help’ type talk shops - sympathising on the ineveitable decline. All seem terrified of conflict (alarming when there is so much of it to deal with in a church setting) They then ‘feel good’ by pointing out that 6 nerdy teens bothered to show up one sunday.  yada yada yada

Time for action is today. The parish system needs replacing and a huge cull in numbers of wet clergy. We then need to get into universities and schools and recruit.
BOTTOM LINE:
How on earth is a touchy feely granny who loves ‘puppet ministry’  going to inspire a talented Oxbridge student in their twenties to enter the church and offer their life to the sacred priesthood??

#5: I suspect the problem lies more in the Anglo-Catholic wing (or what’s left of it). From what I’ve heard of Oxford and Cambridge, the evangelical churches are doing fairly well - even some rugby players among them! It’s the liberal churches that can’t - and won’t - shake off the gay tag.

Who mentioned homosexuality?

It really is quite interesting to look at the maps thoughtfully provided - I can deal with that better than 2 pages of statistics.  It is as if someone has taken 2 paintbrush strokes across the map.  The southern one pretty much follows the M5 motorway from the west country up to the Midlands then off to Yorkshire; the Eastern one from Surrey, Hamshire, to London and Essex.  These growth areas seem to match the economic growth areas of the country.  The more deprived or rural counties and a large swath of the middle seem to be flatlining - so it seems to say as much about the economic status of the areas as the colour of their ministries, although those seem to correlate as well with the possible exception of St Albans.