“Mark McCall: Do Bishops Deserve Due Process?”

Only Liberal ones….

It seems to me that Mark lays out a strong review. I especially note his observation that TEC is not immune from the secular courts.

This whole thing is/will be a great history lesson - I hope that we know how to teach it.

Don

This is probably “do process”...as in, we will “do” your deposition because we want to “do” it!

#2 - a friend of mine, a former prosecutor, used to joke that “due process” meant “do process ‘em.”

wm.

`No, no!’ said the Queen. `Sentence first—verdict afterwards.’

-Lewis Carroll, Ch. 12, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

This is helpful analysis, at least legally.  But are there any bishops out there (particularly those from the dioceses which officially objected to the legitimacy of Bishop Schofield’s “deposition”) with the gumption to act on these irregularities?  (How about South Carolina or Northern Indiana?)  Why hasn’t anyone brought formal charges against the PB?  It is sad to have to watch the HOB descend further and further into chaos.

#4:  A habit of silence (or of minimization of outrage) has developed, and I would be shocked to hear any real resistance to what has become TEC’s law unto itself.  When so much injustice has been practiced, how does any organization repudiate itself by stopping the addictive habit of evil?

Sometimes I think a good deal of the arguments on this blog are missing the central point, though I do agree that due process is being trampled.  The PB has accused +Duncan of intending to lead the Pittsburgh Diocese out of TEC.  That is her main argument.  I have attended several meetings in my parish where +Duncan has criticized some of the actions of the past and present PB plus other things that have developed during this decade.  As an Anglican Church bishop, he has a duty to protect the faith.  That is actually his most important duty.  The way I see it, criticizing the PB is the moral equivalent of criticizing Pol Pot for the killing fields in Cambodia.  Both movements were directed at killing a culture, idea or religion.  So is the Pittsburgh Diocese going to leave TEC.  I think it will vote to do so.  Is it doing so because +Duncan told them to do it?  I don’t remember anytime he spoke to my parish, or to me personally, that he was telling us to do so.  I think this is a grass route movement and the natural outcome of the clergy and laity being well informed.  Being well informed seems to be the crime.

What makes Pittsburgh different from most other TEC diocese is that we actually do have godly leadership.  We don’t have our heads buried in the sand.  We don’t just have the trust of our bishop because he is a bishop, but we have trust in him for who he really is.  He is an honest and faithful man.  That is his crime.  He answers to the Almighty instead of to the world.  This only builds respect from the majority of his flock.

So what happens if he is deposed? His letter says that the Standing Committee is in charge. But didn’t the PB replace the SC in SJ? If she attempts to do this, who is going to challenge her?

The courts!

Bishop Duncan is PROTECTING the Faith, while Schori and Company are DESTROYING it.  Does anyone care to try to deny that fact?

Let’s hear it, folks!  Present your case.

Case?  Case?  Is that a new concept like justice or fairness or equality or any other buzzwords?!

Such is the fate of those righteous who defy the wicked. From Adam to Elijah to Jeremiah to Micaiah to Zechariah the son of Jehoida, to James to Stephen to Peter & Paul.
“Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.”
“Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you and revile you and spurn your name as evil, on account of the Son of Man! Rejoice in that day, and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven; for so their fathers did to the prophets. “
I wonder if Bishop Bob has some leaps left in him? Surely he is being persecuted and cast out for the Son of Mans sake.

And don’t forget also:

your enemies will be those from within your own family.

Well,  suppose this woman does depose him. What then? What difference does it make to him or to anyone else? Will it alter what he does in the future? Will it increase our respect for Schori et al? How does deposing him harm him? Won’t it actually do him some real good because he has taken the moral high ground and has refused to concede it?  What’s all the to do about - I mean, excepting for the moment Schori sheer mean spiritedness.  Larry

May God be inclined to send a hand who’s finger might write on the wall during their meeting. If so a mass change of underwear would become the order of the day for those who didn’t drop dead of heart failure. Could it perhaps even give RW a major shock.

Only in your fondest dreams!