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By Observer from RCC on May 17, 2008 at 6:30 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Pope restates gay marriage ban after California vote
I believe the comment made by #2 refers to the fact that a reporter in the media will find someone who claims to be a Catholic priest ... even though he (or even she) has no standing with the RCC. It happens all the time because it suits the purpose of the media for a certain kind of headline.
By Dan Crawford on May 17, 2008 at 6:26 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Episcopal Seminaries Struggle With Costs
Centrist and liberal seminaries have no reason to exist. Since there is nothing to believe, nor any history that has any relevance to the good new days, nor any spirituality to communicate that can’t be communicated more effectively on Oprah, the only option left is offering graduate education in . . . what?
By Chazaq on May 17, 2008 at 6:15 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Canterbury Calling: Archbishop on the Phone for Lambeth
Telephone call transcript #3:
Rowan: I ask that you honor the integrity of the meeting.
Bishop Robinson: You didn’t invite me!
Rowan: Oh, right, sorry, wrong list. [click]
By Harvey on May 17, 2008 at 6:13 pm [comment link]
From the entry: In Illinois, Qurans given out for free
Now for my two cents worth!! I do have a English translation of the Koran and to my knowledge it has not been abridged. I once read on the blog a claim by a Muslim as to how wonderful the Koran, that it didn’t even have the word “kill” in it. After searching through about a fourth of the book I found over 12 direct uses of the word and it in all or most readings the word was used in slaying the infidels. I have had the pleasure of handing out different translations of the New Testament and in all cases I never had to apologize for any translation of phrases. I know of one Japanese lady in particular who was led to Jesus after reading the NT in Japanese. Praise God His miracle can be worked in ANY language.
By Chazaq on May 17, 2008 at 6:12 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Canterbury Calling: Archbishop on the Phone for Lambeth
Telephone call transcript #2:
Rowan: I ask that you honor the integrity of the meeting.
Bishop Spork: You can count on me. Can I bring my Asherah Pole?
Rowan: I’m sure your Indaba Group will love it.
Bishop Spork: Ubuntu, baby!
[click]
By Dan Crawford on May 17, 2008 at 6:10 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Statement of the Episcopal Bishop of California on Yesterday's Court Ruling
If we are honest, we would acknowledge that the Episcopal Church has had nothing significant or useful to say to married couples and families for nearly thirty years. The “teaching document\” on Human Sexuality dropped on the church in 1994 was, in addition to being an intellectual, to say nothing of a moral, embarrassment, the definitive indication that the institution formerly known as ECUSA was no longer capable of upholding any Christian understanding of marriage, let alone the one found in the Book of Common Prayer. Young families understand this, and are seeking support in churches where leaders speak clearly and forthrightly about God’s plan for men, women and children. Meanwhile, the institution formerly known as ECUSA will blather on and on about “prayerful consultation . . . to strengthen support of our lesbian and gay sisters and brothers”.
By Chazaq on May 17, 2008 at 6:03 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Canterbury Calling: Archbishop on the Phone for Lambeth
Telephone call transcript:
Rowan: I ask that you honor the integrity of the meeting.
Bishop Cowgas: Huh? Oh, yeah, sure [tee hee!]
Rowan: Thanks. See you at Lambeth.
[click]
By D Hamilton on May 17, 2008 at 5:52 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Statement of the Episcopal Bishop of California on Yesterday's Court Ruling
Offtopic
David+
I dare say that local Kiwanis Clubs are doing more Christian-like ministry than most local Episcopal Churches and a greatly lower overhead and with a happier hearts.
D
By MJD_NV on May 17, 2008 at 5:44 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Gay rights campaigners to protest at Rochester Cathedral
Hmmm...still nothing on the wires - yep, a non event.
By Larry Morse on May 17, 2008 at 5:42 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Statement of the Episcopal Bishop of California on Yesterday's Court Ruling
For those of y ou in California, do you think that the petition has the backing to override the Supremes idiocy - sorry not nice - the Supreme’s evasion of the constitution and their despotic overruling of the people’s will. There. That’s more genteel, in’t it. Larry
By Grandmother on May 17, 2008 at 5:32 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Statement of the Episcopal Bishop of California on Yesterday's Court Ruling
I wonder, if +++Rowan has already had a “chat” with him.
Or does this decision make the Windsor Report and Lambeth
null and void?
Gloria, in SC
(born in Calif, and ever so glad to be on the opposite coast)
By Philip Snyder (Dallas) on May 17, 2008 at 5:32 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Canterbury Calling: Archbishop on the Phone for Lambeth
"… asking that they honor the integrity of the meeting”
It seems that too many US bishops are honoring the meeting of Integrity to honor the integrity of Lambeth.
YBIC,
Phil Snyder
By Courageous Grace on May 17, 2008 at 5:28 pm [comment link]
From the entry: In Illinois, Qurans given out for free
My response to this would be the same as I give to Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons when they come knocking. I’d point to my “no soliciting” sign then chunk whatever they left on my door in the dumpster, preferably in front of them. I can’t stand solicitations at my door for any reason. In fact, I make a note of all fliers that get attached to my door or left on my windshield and refuse to use the services of those companies. Most of the time they’re shady businesses that I wouldn’t use anyway but it sure does narrow down my restaurant selection.
Call me mean if you will....but I value my privacy and prefer that people keep off of my property.
I was walking to the parking lot one day and noticed a man putting fliers on people’s windshields. I waited out of sight until he reached for my car then hit the panic button on the remote just before he touched it. I’ve never seen anyone jump that high before and he got in his own car and drove off. I fear these types of people are possibly checking to see if you’re home or if you’ve got something valuable in your car so they can break in while you’re away...just my $0.02
By RomeAnglican on May 17, 2008 at 5:12 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Canterbury Calling: Archbishop on the Phone for Lambeth
If, as Bishop Tom Wright said, that the original letters would be viewed by many as “too little, too late,” I wonder what he thinks now that even they were too decisive for this Boneless Wonder of an archbishop. Wright’s rather been made to look the fool has he not, after going forth and preemptively defending the Archbishop of Canterbury, and then having the Archbishop retreat as he’s done to pleasant little phone chats. Why have we heard nothing about this from Bishop Wright?
By Laura R. on May 17, 2008 at 5:10 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Paul Kengor: Veritatis Benedictus
Splendid indeed. I’m another non-Catholic American who is deeply grateful for this clear and uncompromising proclamation of Truth.
By David+ on May 17, 2008 at 4:49 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Statement of the Episcopal Bishop of California on Yesterday's Court Ruling
And two Episcopal bishops in California take one more giant step away from the Episcopal Church’s Creed that says we believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. Oh, I forgot that they had replaced the Creeds with the gay agenda. Foolish me. And last week I finally learned we had replaced the Great Commission with the MDGs. Next week I will probably learn why I need no longer attend church on Sunday mornings. Just show up at the Kewanis Club.
By Hoskyns on May 17, 2008 at 4:45 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Statement By The California Catholic Conference Of Bishops' Regarding The Court Decision
Read it carefully and read it all - and above all, read it alongside Jon Bruno’s statement to learn the difference between the orthodox and the Valentinian take.
By Ross on May 17, 2008 at 4:37 pm [comment link]
From the entry: In Illinois, Qurans given out for free
My understanding was that the text of the Quran can be translated, but that the result is not considered to be the authentic Quran. Rather, it’s “the meaning of the Quran” or some similar phrase. So far as I know, Muslims don’t object to anyone creating or reading such translations, so long as they’re aware that it’s not truly the Quran.
By Dave B on May 17, 2008 at 4:31 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Statement of the Episcopal Bishop of California on Yesterday's Court Ruling
I don’t think marriage is a right. Marriage is an institution regulated by the state. For the Church, marriage is a sacrament that is an outward sign of Gods inward grace. How can God bestow grace on that which he condemned? Jesus blessed marriage between a man and a woman. A MAN and a WOMAN leave their parents and cleave one to the other.
By billqs on May 17, 2008 at 4:30 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Canterbury Calling: Archbishop on the Phone for Lambeth
If only that were true, D.C. How does the ABC expect bishops who already do not respect the Windsor Report to respect the “integrity of the [Lambeth] meeting” based on acceptance of the Windsor Report?
By Phil on May 17, 2008 at 4:19 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Statement of the Episcopal Bishop of California on Yesterday's Court Ruling
Well, all people don’t have the constitutional right to marry and raise a family, regardless of sexual orientation. Incestuous couples don’t have that right, and those oriented to polyamory don’t have that right. Why they don’t, based on the logic of the deconstructionists, I don’t know; but they don’t. For now.
By New Reformation Advocate on May 17, 2008 at 3:48 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Different Californians React Differently to Supreme Court Ruling
Perhaps Susan Russell’s frank admission above may be due to feeling intoxicated with the euphoria of achieving a long-sought victory. But regardless, she may come to regret letting the mask slip and revealing herself quite so openly. But it’s up to the rest of us to make sure her words come back to haunt her.
David Handy+
By Abu Daoud on May 17, 2008 at 2:59 pm [comment link]
From the entry: In Illinois, Qurans given out for free
Katherina is correct. The Quran is not capable of being translated and Islam is irrevocably committed to a certain form of 7th C. Arab culture and desires to replicate it around the world.
By D. C. Toedt on May 17, 2008 at 2:49 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Canterbury Calling: Archbishop on the Phone for Lambeth
"… asking that they honor the integrity of the meeting”? Most attending bishops will be spending a great deal of time and money, and traveling halfway across the world, to meet and confer in person with their fellow bishops. Sounds like +Rowan thinks this doesn’t pay quite enough honor to the meeting — or perhaps to its host — and that his episcopal colleagues should also be required to pass through a theological metal detector if they wish to gain admission to his party.
Society-page hostesses sometimes fall into the subtle trap of ascribing more importance to their soirées than is really warranted. One hopes for better from the ABC.
By Laocoon on May 17, 2008 at 2:06 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Gay rights campaigners to protest at Rochester Cathedral
"Church homophobia”? I had no idea the church was homophobic. Are we also hamartiophobic? (Had to coin that one; it’s my stab at “fearful of sin.") I acknowledge that there are people within the church who, contrary to historic Christian teaching, hate homosexuals; and I acknowledge that churches and church groups have said and done unkind and unholy things to homosexuals. But to imply that the church’s stance can be reduced to simple hatred or fear is disingenuous. It is disingenuous because it pretends that this enormous Christian doctrine of sin can somehow be dismissed or reduced to fear of the other.
Perhaps it would be appropriate to label the protesters as “ecclesiophobes” or “misepiscopes” (bishop-haters)? Or perhaps they are alethiophobes who hope, by pointing to others as the problem, to distract their attention from their own hearts.
Christ Jesus, you know we are all hypocrites and all sinners; have mercy on all of us. Show your love equally to +Michael and to those who hate him, and save us all from our sin.
By Aquila on May 17, 2008 at 1:08 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Peter Darbee: Congress must side with renewable energy tax credits
Great idea, that solar power! Just as long as you have candles or kerosene lamps at night…
By Oldman on May 17, 2008 at 12:57 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Pope restates gay marriage ban after California vote
Praise the Lord for The Bishop of Rochester, the Rt. Rev Michael Nazir-Ali and Pope Benedict for pronouncing the Truth found in Church teaching for two thousand years and speaking forcefully against new rounds of attacks on Scripture. They stand for the unadulterated Faith, unlike our own PB (and HOB) and the Archbishop of Canterbury who cower before those pronouncing “this new thing.”
By Phil on May 17, 2008 at 12:42 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Pope restates gay marriage ban after California vote
Here is leadership over libertinism.
By Phil on May 17, 2008 at 12:36 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Different Californians React Differently to Supreme Court Ruling
Wow - not that many of us would have assessed Integrity’s motivation or honesty any differently in the first place, but Susan Russell’s brazen admission of “by any means necessary” is shocking. At least we now know, from her own “pen,” that anything the political activists within the GCC claim isn’t worth the paper on which its written.
Fight on within the GCC if you must, but if you have children, please, please - for their sakes - keep them as far from the organization as possible.
By COLUMCIL on May 17, 2008 at 12:29 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Pope restates gay marriage ban after California vote
Pope Benedict speaks for the Christian community, the whole Christian community, inside or outside the Church. When the disorder takes place within the Roman Church, there will be discipline and order will be restored. Not so within TEC that now goes deeper into the substitution and confusion taged SSM. SSM is an immoral act, a presumptous sin, but not irredemable. My prayer is for our secular and spiritual communities to give up the confusion and return to sound mind and order. It is going to require much prayer and no little fasting.
By Katherine on May 17, 2008 at 11:53 am [comment link]
From the entry: In Illinois, Qurans given out for free
No translation is valid. Muslims will call this an “interpretation,” since, in the Muslim view, God gave the Koran in Arabic and it is only valid in Arabic. I hope this is a complete interpretation, not one with the harsh bits cut out.
By Words Matter on May 17, 2008 at 11:47 am [comment link]
From the entry: Pope restates gay marriage ban after California vote
Perhaps the gay Catholics lining up for marriage licenses can caucus in the same corner as the women being ordained as Roman Catholic priests.
And expect news reports any moment that some “Catholic priest” has married two men or two women.
By the roman on May 17, 2008 at 11:26 am [comment link]
From the entry: Pope restates gay marriage ban after California vote
Just in case any gay California Catholics got any ideas....see.
By John Wilkins on May 17, 2008 at 10:58 am [comment link]
From the entry: Obama ads in Kentucky stress that he's a Christian
Sick and tired - alas I don’t think you quite understand Cone. If you read more closely, you’d read that he is deliberately vague about who is black or white. His logic is not that white individuals are evil - except insofar as they participate in the dehumanization of black people. I recognize we’ve gone over this before, of course. I also find it interesting you have to quote a text that is 40 years old. As Martin Marty said (do you know who Martin Marty is?), claims that Wright is supremacist is ... wrong. And as someone who has been to that church (along with lots of whites), we were all welcomed as part of the community. Blacks would not get the same treatment at David Duke’s church.
But if you want to know about Obama’s Christianity, why not quote Obama himself?
For one thing, I believed and still believe in the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change, a power made real by some of the leaders here today. Because of its past, the black church understands in an intimate way the Biblical call to feed the hungry and clothe the naked, and to challenge powers and principalities. And in its historical struggles for freedom and the rights of man, I was able to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death; it is an active, palpable agent in the world. It is a source of hope.
And perhaps it was out of this intimate knowledge of hardship, the grounding of faith in struggle, that the church offered me a second insight: that faith doesn’t mean that you don’t have doubts. You need to come to church precisely because you are of this world, not apart from it; you need to embrace Christ precisely because you have sins to wash away—because you are human and need an ally in your difficult journey.
It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and affirm my Christian faith. It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany; the questions I had did not magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.
Of course, it is always sad to hear one Christian dismiss another Christian’s faith. In itself, this seems to be the work of the evil one.
By New Reformation Advocate on May 17, 2008 at 10:39 am [comment link]
From the entry: The Bishop of Rochester’s statement about the demonstration planned against him on May 17
GA/FL (#9),
I find it hard to take your comment seriously, and yet you don’t seem to be joking. Are you really claiming that no extra-biblical concepts are to be recognized by Christians? Maybe your concern is that extra-biblical concepts must not be allowed to trump the truths set forth in Holy Scripture. I’d certainly agree with that more modest statement.
I’d much prefer to stress that all truth is God’s truth. There is such a thing as “general revelation,” i.e., truths discernible in creation itself. But “special revelation,” i.e., the truth disclosed in God’s Word written, goes much further and is far clearer in revealing to us what God is really like and his plans and purposes for us.
I would agree that there are popular notions, widely accepted today by many Christians as well as non-Christians, that are incompatible with the biblical perspective on our human nature, and what it means to be male and female. I myself generally take care to avoid calling people “gay” or “lesbian” as much as possible, as if that defined them as people. I think it’s more accurate to speak of people who struggle with same sex attractions or something like that which doesn’t make their sexual desires their primary characteristic. But I’m surprised that you’d consider the concept of “gender” itself problematic. I would think it’s specific distorted ideas about “gender” that are the problem. Not the word by itself.
I’m not trying to pick a fight here. I think we probably share the same basic worldview. But exaggerated claims by our side only provoke our foes and lead them to dismiss us without even taking us seriously.
David Handy+
By libraryjim on May 17, 2008 at 10:25 am [comment link]
From the entry: Different Californians React Differently to Supreme Court Ruling
Words, Ed, Cennydd (17. 18. & 19),
Right spot-on correct. Which was what I tried to say in #1.
As to SR’s statemetn that you “cannot violate a ‘report’”, it was more than a report, it was a step on the road to maintaining the Anglican Communion. Susan Russel just stated she has no interest in maintaining the communion or holding to any agreements made by TEc or Lambeth, and instead chooses a social position over the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
Gordian (13), you, too, are right spot-on. Which is why I pray for those in TEc leadership, deceived by a ‘false gospel’ to repent and for God to protect those under their ‘shepherding’ from that false gospel.
Peace
Jim Elliott <><
By libraryjim on May 17, 2008 at 10:15 am [comment link]
From the entry: In Illinois, Qurans given out for free
Jeremy,
I strongly suspect it was a paraphrase which is allowed, as that is treated as an ‘interpretation’ rather than a translation. Given how reporters mess up issues of Christianity, I wouldn’t be surprised if this reporter got this slightly off, as well.
By GA/FL on May 17, 2008 at 10:13 am [comment link]
From the entry: The Bishop of Rochester’s statement about the demonstration planned against him on May 17
The concepts of ‘gender’ ‘gay’ and ‘sexual orientation’ ‘sexual identity’ are extra-biblical and have no business being recognized, accepted or affirmed by the Church. To do so is giving place to evil. I Corinthians 6:9-11 is the most inclusive Scripture passage. All sin is evil and destructive. Evidence in Science, Medicine and Scripture agree in this matter.
By The Gordian on May 17, 2008 at 10:07 am [comment link]
From the entry: The Bishop of Rochester’s statement about the demonstration planned against him on May 17
#7: They must be watching the FA Cup Final.
By Dan Tuton+ on May 17, 2008 at 10:05 am [comment link]
From the entry: The Rev. Dr. Justyn Terry Named Dean and President of TESM
Warmest congratulations, Dr. Terry. A wonderful man for a wonderful school.
By Jeremy Bonner on May 17, 2008 at 9:55 am [comment link]
From the entry: In Illinois, Qurans given out for free
I was under the impression that the Koran is not supposed to be translated by the faithful. I suppose if the goal is to inform not evangelize that may be an out, but I’m surprised that devout Muslims are doing this (and that they’re requesting that unwanted copies be returned). Is a translated Koran, a “real” Koran, in other words?
By Phil on May 17, 2008 at 9:49 am [comment link]
From the entry: California Supreme Court overturns gay marriage ban
And, Kevin #22, if we were using your “logic,” we’d conclude there’s nothing wrong with heterosexuals who practice some form of “open sexuality” either openly or discretely (i.e. fooling around on the side); and nothing wrong with consensual incest; and nothing wrong with polyamory; and nothing wrong with statutory rape; etc.
By MJD_NV on May 17, 2008 at 9:48 am [comment link]
From the entry: The Bishop of Rochester’s statement about the demonstration planned against him on May 17
Nearly 16:00 there and nothing to report in the news - must have been a non-event.
By David+ on May 17, 2008 at 9:22 am [comment link]
From the entry: Oil Tops $127 but Saudi Arabia Declines to Increase Production
The Arab monarchy smiles and makes nice to President Bush all the while funding extremist Islam around the world - including the United States. They are anything but our friends. They have thier own extreme religious self interests at heart. And the sooner we wake up to that fact and set aside the garden tea party form of diplomacy we have had with them the better.
By Franz on May 17, 2008 at 9:22 am [comment link]
From the entry: Chasing Utopia, A Family Imagines No Possessions
You have to read these quotes:
“They are exchanging e-mail with a woman who has a remote cabin available in central Vermont. There is no electricity, Mr. Harris said, just propane power and a wood stove.
“We want to be in clean country with like-minded people with access to clean food,” Mrs. Harris said.
Mr. Harris does have a concern, though. He now telecommutes from his job as a Web systems administrator and is hoping to stay employed through the move. “The question is, Do I have Internet access in the woods?” he said. “
I’m all for cutting back on consumption. I’m all for not letting your possessions own you. We have far less house than we could have bought (at least according to the bank). We deliberately drive used cars. We save and invest. We garden.
But . . .
These folks have no idea what it is actually like to try to live on what you grow in Vermont (I grew up there—it is a short growing season). The fact that they’re thinking about moving to a cabin with no electricity and simultaneously wondering about internet access demonstrates that they are a pair of silly romantics.
By David+ on May 17, 2008 at 9:17 am [comment link]
From the entry: The Bishop of Rochester’s statement about the demonstration planned against him on May 17
Ralph, you say that Lambeth should say that “if they do not repent, they will be separated from the body of the Anglican Communion. Given all that has transpired in the last 5 or 6 years, let’s have it that Lambeth should say, “since you have not talen the opportunities offered to repent, you are now separated from the body of the Anglican Communion.” Sadly, I wouldn’t wager a penny that it will happen now that the Global South and many other orthodox bishops and archbishops will not be there in enough numbers to seize and change the agenda to dealing with the Anglican crisis instead of ignoring it as now planned.
By Sick & Tired of Nuance on May 17, 2008 at 9:14 am [comment link]
From the entry: Peter Darbee: Congress must side with renewable energy tax credits
"You don’t seem to complain about the manipulation of the tax code to benefit the coal, oil and gas industry. “
aldenjr,
Er...what part of “flat tax” and “do away with the income tax” and “national sales tax” was I unclear about?
Other than that, I am in complete agreement with your post.
By RevK on May 17, 2008 at 9:09 am [comment link]
From the entry: California Supreme Court overturns gay marriage ban
Kevin Montgomery; #22 & #26
You stated:
“What is it going to take to get that through to you people?!”
“Wow, you people just don’t get it.”
Perhaps, not. But perhaps you don’t get it either. When you commented that Mr. Matz didn’t know any ‘real gay people’, he addressed your comment with his experience of gay people; you dismissed it with the ‘spare me, my best friends are gay’ canard.
Please tell us what you consider to be a ‘legitimate’ experience of ‘real gay people.’ If it consists only of those homosexual men and women who agree with you, then I would suggest that you are the one dehumanizing gays and lesbians.
By Cennydd on May 17, 2008 at 9:01 am [comment link]
From the entry: Different Californians React Differently to Supreme Court Ruling
The word “integrity” once meant something. Now, however........
By Sick & Tired of Nuance on May 17, 2008 at 8:39 am [comment link]
From the entry: Obama ads in Kentucky stress that he's a Christian
Oops..."whose" was supposed to have been “who has had”. I guess I will have to fire my editor 
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