Obviously she regards herself as a purchaser of religious services.
As ever, totally beyond comprehension.
Once again, I copy and forward Haley’s material to old and conservative Episcopal friends, and, once again, they ignore the facts.
Meanwhile, our tiny ACNA parish continues to support our small town’s outreach needs and our staunch friends in South Sudan, Kenya, and Tanzania in the awesome efforts to win souls for Christ.
Personally, when we vacation, in ME and in the Caribbean, we cannot find “clean” congregations we can readily get to.
“Come, Lord Jesus…”
It does seem to be about appearances and everything but wanting to raise their son as an actual Christian for this couple. From the article:
To emphasise the weight he places on marriage, the vicar said that if money was the only problem he would offer couples a wedding ceremony for free.
The new mother is also worried the decision could affect Roman’s chances of getting into some local schools.
This “can’t afford it” meme is just stupid.
In most countries a marriage licence is a modest fee, and most religious leaders will readily waive their fees if the couple show that they have no money. So a wedding costs a couple of hundred dollars say in most countries.
What the can’t afford is the bits that don’t count—the dress, the big meal and all the other stuff. They are discounting the bit that does count, because they say they can’t afford the bit that doesn’t.
I agree. There are many who have exercised reason and can discern the difference between the voice of the spirit of the age and the voice of the Holy Spirit. It is those who refuse to hear and who are unable to hear who need to exercise their reason rather than just uncritically going along with what the wider culture believes. I’m not holding my breath until they do. Sadly, I think we are in an Isaiah 6:9-10 kind of territory. The truth seems to make peoples’ ability to reason even duller. But like Isaiah we must go on speaking the truth because that is our calling even when it doesn’t have the effect we would wish. And just maybe by the grace of God blind eyes will be opened and deaf ears unstopped.
There are many who are able to do just that and have written and explained many times to those who refuse to hear. The sad thing is when those who have done what you are wanting are simply ignored or labelled hateful homophobic bigots you know hard times are ahead. Eventually those people will no longer care enough to do anything about it and the spirit of the age will have fully enmeshed TEC in its destructive net of deception and lies.
For many years I read “The Onion,” greatly enjoying their humor and satire, first in print and then online. However, during one of the controversies over cartoons of Mohammed (back in 2012), they published a satirical piece that included an obscene image, deliberately blasphemous for Christians and members of other non-Muslim religions, that was too much. I don’t dispute their right under our laws to do this. However, I no longer look at any of their articles, and I encourage anyone else to avoid them as well. I hesitated to make this comment—not wanting to provoke any curiosity that might increase their web traffic—but finding a link to the Onion here came as something of a surprise.
This article presents the bigger issue of why someone would be prescribed Actiq for 5 years. Actiq is not supposed to be used for everyday pain no matter how bad it might be. If this lady is not dying of cancer (which she clearly isn’t) she shouldn’t be on it, and since its been 5 years, I have serious questions about the quality of her medical care. I see this all the time in my job. Doctors don’t know what to do so they pawn patients off on pain therapy clinics who do nothing but give people drugs. The fact that this is being given for endometriosis is also very confusing. I obviously know nothing about this lady’s particular situation, but her addiction is medically/professionally induced and quite confusing. The data are quite clear that doctors over prescribe. Also, there are clear data that being on something like Actiq for that long severely reduces its efficacy. I am not uncompassionate. Exactly the opposite. It would be much cheaper for this lady to get some comprehensive and holistic care/diagnosis/treatment than pay $37 a pill for something that was never intended to be used for her problem. If this was meth or crack, we’d be up in arms. There is very little difference here.
The post previous is worth a look, too. It may even work as a segue with the article on teenage mental-health issues that follows this post.
I think they took bribes in the US or from the US. The good news for me is FIFA is like TEC—I don’t care anything about their politics and I’d happy if they all fell in the ocean!
Can someone explain to me how the FBI has jurisdiction? FIFA headquarters are in Zurich. By all accounts the situation has been calling out for intervention for several years - but still, I am surprised at this further extension of American hegemony.
No reference to Christ, God, let alone the Scriptures? No answers? Has it really come to this?
In ‘Pilgrim’s Regress’ C.S. Lewis has a female warrior character called Reason turn up as the means for John to escape imprisonment by the spirit of the age. So to avoid capture by the spirit of the age and to escape its clutches when imprisoned by it will require people who are able, equipped and prepared to think matters through rather than simply going with what happens to ‘feel’ right to them.
As I said above, your own leadership will be able to clarify on your various questions. I do not want to get in front of them, even as we worked hard to make this happen, down to details you mention. We give thanks for the outcome. Grace and peace.
Hi Dr. Seitz,
I would think that the Global South Primates should have had a pretty good idea that the convention delegates would enthusiastically accept the offer of Primatial Oversight. It is no secret that the diocese had asked for alternative primatial oversight in the past and nothing happened. So why would we refuse such an offer especially after we disaffiliated from TEC?
Why would the disapproval of TEC’s Presiding Bishop effect this offer of Primatial Oversight to the diocese? We are not part of TEC anymore. Even if she had raised holy h*ll over this arrangement, it would not made any difference to the diocese and hopefully not to the Global South primates either.
To all here at Titus… I believe Bishop Zavala’s comment and his encouraging words to us. As I wrote before - consider the source of this attempt to discredit the diocese, the offer of primatial oversight and Bishop Zavala’s comment. That should be warning enough…..
Your leadership can fill in the details as is the most appropriate. The good news is that the GS acted as a totality, that Zavala has now visited on behalf of them all, that the PB of TEC has not been able to prevail upon others to block any of this, and that the EDofSC will, God willing, clear its last hurdles in civil court. It had been hoped that all this would provide a model for conservatives elsewhere, as the Communion reaches out in support of those it judges caught up in internal problems, offering pastoral support. For those of us at ACI, this is consistent with Dar es Salaam and the entire Covenant logic.
The GS had it in view to extend support to the EDofSC and that the convention would be receiving this news; which it did, and acted positively upon it. What was critical was a strong sense that the ABC would not side with the PB of TEC in opposing this. One can assume that her objections were immediate. That we heard nothing was good news.
Interesting indeed #10. If the GS Primates knew of our timeline, I don’t know that anyone here knew they were going to offer Primatial Oversight to the diocese as it had been offered before in 2007 for the other dioceses and the TEC of House of Bishops turned that down with an empathic no.
Since GAFCON began in 2008 with our historic gathering in Jerusalem, the place of Pentecost, I have been convinced that we are caught up in a transforming movement of the Spirit of God. Despite our lack of institutional resources, this movement has grown and the Holy Spirit is using us to gather the Anglican Communion in a unique and unprecedented way.
FWIW, I agree. I have been so pleasantly surprised and blessed by the wonderful things going on because of GAFCON and its ministry for revival and renewal of the WWAC.
#9—it was taken for granted that the PB of TEC would approach the ABC so soon as she learned of a plan of this kind. What was wanted was a green light for the GS Primates to pursue this, as roughly continuous with plans mooted at Dar es Salaam and elsewhere (‘extra-provincial’) but now in a new timeframe. The ACI website can provide some background if you are interested.
The GS primates knew the EDofSC timeline. Obviously they could not know however what the convention would decide.
I have read Caldwell’s blog and he does name the person who wrote the Lambeth Palace response (who is listed as part of the Archbishop’s senior staff). If you read the actual text of the Lambeth Response (which Caldwell *claims* to have permission to use on his blog… like others, #5, I am not convinced that the e-mail actually originated from Lambeth Palace for the previously stated reasons), you will understand that the words are chosen very carefully. However, in no way can it be concluded from Lambeth’s response that the Archbishop did not agree to the Primatial Oversight arrangement offered at the meeting in Feb. 2014. It is entirely possible that he did indeed agree and based on the testimony of people who were actually there at the meeting (i.e. Bishop Zavala)- he did indeed.
From the Lambeth response, it is most likely that ++Welby met with KJS and then decided on the “pastoral oversight” for the Diocese of SC. Oddly, if the Diocese is no longer part of TEC and Welby does not consider the Diocese part of the WWAC, why would he even care what happens to the Diocese? This is the odd part of the Lambeth Response….. Why would he go to TEC’s Presiding Bishop about a matter that does not concern a diocese in TEC? Also “pastoral oversight” as defined by Caldwell (an informal arrangement of friendship and communication of one body with another) is meaningless in this situation as the Diocese of SC already has friendships with and the support of many dioceses and provinces around the WWAC. This sort of “pastoral oversight” provides nothing that the diocese does not already have.
One thing that perhaps even the primates did not realize at the time of their meeting in Feb. 2014 was that our diocesan convention was coming up in mid-March 2014 and that the delegates would vote to accept the offer.
As someone who was there at one of the meetings with Bishop Zavala, I was greatly encouraged by his words and his description of his ministry as a priest and now Bishop of the Diocese of Chile and Primate of South America. He did indeed say he was there with the consent of the Archbishop of Canterbury. Given that the context of the statement was right after he described the primates meeting in 2014, I believe Bishop Zavala’s statement. As far as Caldwell’s pov and information on his blog, the old adage- Consider the source- certainly applies in this situation.
As already has been mentioned, the Diocese is recognized by the majority of the Anglican Communion and the *faithful* majority and that is enough for me. I am glad that Bishop Zavala was here and we got to know him as he is the appointed representative of the GS primates to the Diocese of SC. Afterwards, I even thanked him personally for his encouraging and yes even inspiring words to us. The Diocese of SC will continue making Biblical Anglicans for a Global Age. Worrying over liberal blogger’s pov is not what we are about.
There have been two times when we could have destroyed ISIS. The first was last fall when they were in battle formation getting ready to attack the Kurds. I was watching it on LIVE TV so I assume I’m not teh only person who knew about it. A carrier task force could have wiped them out but our President chose to do nothing. The second time was last week. ISIS attacked Ramidi during a sand/dust storm. But later that afternoon, when it was crystal clear, there were vehicles with troops lined up for at least a mile. A one armed blind man on a bicycle could have taken them out with a fly swatter. But our President did nothing. Is there a common thread here?
ACI worked very hard on all this, so I am very pleased at the outcome.
The primatial (episcopal) nature of the oversight is made plain by the words of the GS primates in their statement, and for that matter, the participation of several, including ++Mouneer, in the installation of Foley Beach as Abp of ACNA. I was only pointing to the source of the rumors.
That said, what Mr. Caldwell quoted (what he quoted, not what he inferred from it) was sufficiently similar to what was said by the ABoC (both WIlliams and Welby) when questions were put at Synod and elsewhere about their relationship with S Carolina (and slightly more distance between themselves and ACNA) that it is believable. It is now all over the TEC press, so if the ABoC actually believes otherwise, it is his duty to get in front of a microphone and state what the status of S Carolina actually is, and how that has changed (if it has) since the last time he stood in front of a microphone.
As is evident, S Carolina remains in full communion with all the churches of the GS (unlike some previous statements, there has been no “minority report” even from S Africa). And most of those same churches do NOT recognize full communion (or in some cases, any formal communion) with TEC or ACoC, and their communion with CoE is, at best, impaired.
#5—you are quite right in my view. I responded in this way at The Lead (which now censures my every other word).
“Outstanding news. The ABC does not disapprove of the GS Primates exercising pastoral oversight of the Diocese of SC. This shows the vocation of the latter and the nihil obstat of the former.”
The distinction between pastoral and episcopal is nonsensical and shows Caldwell to be grasping at straws.
I have tracked down what you are referring to - Ronald Caldwell has made a completely unsubstantiated claim, based on an alleged third hand report. He claims on his private blog that he wrote to an unnamed “spokesperson” at Lambeth Palace who (he claims) gave him permission to publish some remarks on his blog. No names, no copies of emails, zilch.
Seriously - does he think we came down in the last shower? Whatever one may think of it, Lambeth does not operate that way.
And, lets be blunt - this is *Ronald Caldwell* making these unsubstantiated third hand claims. His deep antipathy for Dio SC is well known, and his track record of accuracy is rather stunted, to put it politely.
As I wrote above, there is nothing at all about this on the Lambeth Palace web-site, nor on Anglican Communion News Service, nor anywhere else.
Caldwell’s assertions aren’t worth the paper they aren’t written on.
Well, if you insist on wriggling about while sitting on a picket fence, you can’t be surprised if you end up impaling yourself.
God bless +Tito and the Global South and GAFCON Primates for supporting Christians in the wonderful Diocese of South Carolina and elsewhere.
The liberal blogs are reporting that some “spokesperson” for Lambeth Palace has stated that the ABoC did not, in fact, give formal approval to the plan for primatial oversight as delineated by Dar, or the GS version put forward last year for S Carolina (although admitting he was at the meeting, states it was already decided before he got there, and he was “informed” of it). According to the Piskies quotation of what the spokesperson said, the ABoC considers the relationship between GS and S Carolina to be “pastoral” but not “episcopal” or “primatial.” This is being interpreted by the TECies as meaning that the ABoC does not recognize S Carolina as a member of the Anglican Communion. Which, in fact, he has stated on several occasions, so it is hardly news. Of course, this impairs the communion between the ABoC and every church that DOES recognize S Carolina as a member of the Communion, but so it goes.
its a very positive message, encouraging the work of ACNA contributing to the earthquake relief in Nepal, and focussing on the troubles in Burundi.
I have always loved this haunting poem. Thank you for posting.
Fair point Fr Dale. I suspect C. S. Lewis has already written the first instalment, but an update would be very helpful….
“Is it true that a spokesman for Archbishop Welby has said the statements by Bishop Zavala are misleading?”
Not that I can see. After reading your question, I looked at the Archbishop of Canterbury’s website, the Anglican Communion website, Anglican Ink, Virtue Online, and did a google news search. A few statements by the ABC are reported, but nothing at all to do with this topic.
Which raises the issue: Did you have a basis for asking this question, or was it perhaps an attempt at creating innuendo?
“Did Archbishop Welby actually approve oversight by the Global South Primates?”
He was present when they announced it. If he didn’t approve, then it is surely up to him to say so - but I don’t think he has ever given any indication that he did not approve, so why even ask the question?
“This is very confusing.”
Or perhaps some would like it to be confusing.
Is it true that a spokesman for Archbishop Welby has said the statements by Bishop Zavala are misleading? Did Archbishop Welby actually approve oversight by the Global South Primates? If not why would the Bishop say he did? This is very confusing.
They shall run and not be weary, I suppose.
You run…in the morning…Canon Harmon?
“It is therefore a tragedy when Christian leaders whose minds have been captured by the spirit of the age commend the values of the world to the Church and claim they are led by the Spirit of God.” Amen to that. This whole concept of the ‘spirit of the age’ need to be examined in greater detail. A good book would suffice. Anyone?
It’s interesting putting this statistic together with the piece by Peggy Noonan in WSJ below, about the closed-mindedness of young people today, caught in the grip of a secular mindset. The latter is the more powerful in being the glasses through which the world is perceived, without the glasses being noticed. I think Christians too often beat their breasts about their failure to win the hearts and minds of the young. But when you think of the relentless drumming they get about bigoted Christians, or about religion (code word) being the cause of violence, etc, it’s hard to push against that. And perhaps we shouldn’t. A bit of me feels that if a younger generation wants to give up the power of independent thought, then it is free to do so. Yes, I want to see pews crowded with representatives of every generation, but perhaps we need to have the courage to be counter-cultural, and to accept that we are in an age when in the West we are unfashionable, despised and a minority.
Well, perhaps it is time for the Cathedral staff to get back to proclaiming the faith, and to use their positions for the benefit of the people and church in the Diocese of Exeter, rather than using them as a sinecure to support their pro-gay activism in the Church of England, as Exeter’s former Canon Chancellor did.
Well said. Something the Primate of Australia (++Freier) would do well to think about.
Congratulations to Dean Raffel. We look forward to his work.
Like most of his predecessors, he has seen extensive service in another diocese or overseas before becoming Dean of Sydney. That outside experience, combined with his orthodoxy (good to see the connections with Gafcon and St Helens Bishopsgate) augurs well for his ministry.
This is the same Archbishop Freier who has been almost entirely silent on the issue of anti-Christian violence in many parts of the world, yet he has time to pontificate about one of the Left’s favourite issues in a very one-sided manner.
Christians (including his own flock, Anglican Christians) are being persecuted, raped, tortured, killed in many parts of the world. Even the secular press can see the scandal, and yet this is all that he has time for.
Yet another straw in the wind, a harbinger of the joint problem for the UK Government and the Church of England - they do not have the money to maintain 12,000 listed heritage buildings in England, yet they are required by law (and by the needs of the lucrative British tourist industry) to do so.
In this story, all the actors - UK government, CofE and Brit tourism industry - are explicitly brought together, but the same story is being seen elsewhere in England, just not as obviously.
The Dean of Exeter Cathedral honestly admits that the root of the issue is the inability of his diocese to maintain the cathedral. He attempted to get a grant of public money to develop the Roman ruins in the basement, which would have necessarily required public money to maintain the cathedral as well. A great plan, but the Heritage Fund couldn’t justify it - there are too many other calls on the fund.
Nobody thought much about this 50 years ago, because they just took for granted the tithing and voluntary work by faithful Anglicans which helped to maintain heritage church buildings all over England. But this is now melting away, and the CofE has committed the monumental blunder of alienating the very people in its midst who are best at attracting widespread tithing and volunteer devotion - conservative evangelicals and conservative anglo-catholics.
And the UK government has actively encouraged the CofE in this monumental blunder. Its ineptitude is already putting a heavy strain on public finances, which will only increase.
The question is, who pays for it? International effort always seems to boil down to the U.S. having to take care of it. Being the world’s policeman has already bankrupted us, in addition to taking many American lives. If the international community does not pony up the money, cash on the barrel head (which they won’t), I would only intervene again in Iraq under the understanding we are then entitled to their oil resources, both to pay us for this intervention and the past war. That would probably not be palatable to the Iraqis (although they may have no choice at that point), or to the Russians or Chinese.
Not to worry, just a JV team that is in over its head. Or, so we have been told.
I doubt there will be much of a drop so I think this prediction needs to be pinned and pulled out in 40 years to see if the numbers match.
From a professional standpoint I understand the concern over the cultural resources, but isn’t the torturing, killing, and raping of living people reason enough to put an end to this movement? They are this time’s iteration of the Nazis, or Khmer Rouge, or any other murderous group we humans have a terrible tendency to form.
Well I sure hope you thank Britain for sending him to you.
For years we have heard the sound bites, “we must focus of mission and not issues”. This sale is a sad example of what mission has become. It is about giving departing parishes the boot, locking the doors, and selling the property. It is not about preserving church property, it is about turning those churches into “missions” that can be later sold for profit. Mission accomplished?
From the Right Rev. J. Jon Bruno, bishop of the six-county diocese as quoted in the Los Angeles Times on May 7, 2013 after Judge Kim G. Dunning ruled that the disputed properties belonged to TEC:
“I give thanks for the culmination of this marathon litigation, and I pray this action will settle the fact that people can disagree but cannot take property that has been entrusted to the Episcopal Church for ministry. I give thanks to God that, after these cases spanning more than eight years, we now can proceed with the continuing ministry of the Episcopal Church in Newport Beach.”
After the sale of these properties, what kind of continuing ministry in Newport Beach does the bishop have in mind? Deploying the profits of this sale elsewhere would seem to violate the trust of those who helped to provide this locus of ministry in their community. Even those who are continuing adherents of TEC and support the philosophy of Bruno deserve some sort of explanation.
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