Ian Paul points out the wide spread of opinion represented by writers of the letter:
“Thirdly, it is striking that the signatories come from the whole range of the evangelical constituency, including ‘open’, ‘charismatic’ and ‘conservative’ evangelicals”.
Nobody from Holy Trinity Brompton appears to have signed. It would be interesting to know why not.
I frankly doubt that the CofE hierarchy will take any practical notice of this, although I hope I am proved wrong. It may have had an effect if this unified approach had manifested two years ago or more.
The complementarian (i.e. male headship) evangelicals are already preparing for such episcopal indifference, with their recent declaration that they intend to plant many new Anglican congregations outside the Church of England, as well as protecting their existing congregations inside CofE.
Katherine, reading around this story is only being covered in TEC publications and even there is eliciting confusion as it is based on Gavin Drake’s article. That confusion may be why it is not being picked up by other outlets or on the blogs.
From what you say it really is important that prayers and action are forthcoming immediately which means that more information as to exactly who is suing for the Diocese of Egypt’s property, whether they are a state-sponsored or approved organisation, and why they assume sovereignty over other denominations and their assets is clarified as soon as possible. If the action has been going on for 14 years with a judgment given this June this has clearly been going on under the radar for a considerable time and with it being publicised just a few days before the appeal, action needs to be mobilised as quickly as possible. If clear information is forthcoming that will enable people and organisations to take action with confidence if they understand what they are approaching Egyptian authorities to request.
One other avenue which occured to me is who is the ECA and is it known to say the World Council of Churches? Does it have links with churches or denominations which the Anglican denomination as the third largest in the world has links with to whom representations and protests may be made?
An obvious body to protest would be the Global South Primates Standing Committee together with their new chums, apparently, the GAFCON Primates Standing Committee.
Thank you Katherine.
All I can tell you, Pageantmaster, is that, as a member of the Board of the US charity which supports the Diocese of Egypt, I saw this prayer appeal as it came through from Bishop Mouneer. I presume this to be a very serious problem and ask that all of us join in the requested prayers.
Prayers by all means but I do not understand. Gavin Drake’s report is not clear at all and much of the information seems to have come from left of field without explanation. The Anglican presence in Egypt dates back to at least the 19th Century, so on what basis has this claim been brought?
Please may we have some more information? George?
There are somethings that need to be fleshed out here. First, I can’t find any reference online, outside of the report in ACNS and one in Christian Today which seems to mostly use the same sources, that refer to an Evangelical Church Association in Egypt. The article makes reference to the fact that this is Presbyterian denomination, but the name of the Presbyterian denomination in Egypt is The Evangelical Church in Egypt, Synod of the Nile. They appear to be the largest protestant denomination in Egypt. I know that politics, including ecclesiastical politics is local, but the Evangelical Church in Egypt is listed as a partner church of the Church of Scotland and as a member of the World Council of Reformed Churches. That seems to me to make it less likely they would pull something like this.
So all of this makes me wonder: was the reference to presbyterianism misplaced? Is the Evangelical Church Association of Egypt some sort of move by government forces or others to push protestants into a single structure, akin to the Three-self Patriotic Movement? This needs a good religion reporter to parse this before I think much good can be done: who is the Anglican Episcopal Diocese of Jerusalem actually up against (besides, of course, the Egyptian government).
I just looked up the Egyptian Embassy and found several offices and departments here in the US. Any recommendations as to whom to address any correspondence here?
Once upon a time, it would have been odd to see a bishop publicly encouraging activists to campaign against a teaching he swore to uphold at his consecration…
Prayers for the clergy conference of the wonderful diocese of South Carolina. Onwards and upwards!
Good for Peter Tatchell. He sees that if one opinion can be prohibited, so can others.
#1, this has already happened in America. Bakers have been forced out of business.
Ala John Quincy Adams; and we all know what a successful presidency he had.
This is America’s future. Better start circling the wagons now.
It is what it is.
The Cubs won the pennant, and (so far) predictions of the Apocalypse have proved unfounded.
The first time I read it I thought it meant the Evanglicals were saying they were leaving. Now I realize it’s talking about the bishops departing from the faith and the Evanglicals response to that… It’s a poorly worded title…
“Depart from the faith”? Whose word choice is that?
Prayers for all those affected.
Well, this warning is entirely missing from the anodyne report from Lambeth Palace below.
What a state things are in in Anglican affairs when one has to go to Moscow rather than Canterbury to read the truth.
I heard this read in church on Sunday. I don’t know why our priest skipped over it in his sermon.
2 Timothy 4:3-4. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
“The hospital where he was he born, the house where he lived and the graveyard where he rests are all within a few miles of one another.”
The kind of American who gets no notice but is still heroically holding this country together.
Remarkable man, remarkable family; thanks Tom.
Bishop Schereskewsky married and had two children. His son was a medical doctor with the US Public Health service and has descendants. His daughter Caroline taught at the Episcopal mission school in Tokyo until spring 1941 when the Japanese government sent her home. She settled in Asheville, NC, where she died of liver cancer. She is buried at Calvary Episcopal Church, Fletcher, NC.
He seems to be reflecting a little of Pierre Manent’s “Beyond Radical Secularism”, which, though steeped in French culture, ought to be more widely read in the rest of the West.
Good to hear you are all right, Kendall, albeit possibly without power. This could have been so much worse!
Karen B., power back on here in north Raleigh after 22 hours, and I hope your family in Charlotte are also okay. South and east of Raleigh, things are much worse. People who died were, in general, out in cars. Predictions about the storm path in our state turned out to be wrong, and people didn’t take it seriously until the last minutes.
Looks like GA, SC & NC are bearing the brunt of Matthew with storm surge and inland flooding.
Too often forecasts & media hype focus on hurricane winds and the coastal impact, but inland flooding is so often the biggest danger from hurricanes! This is probably going to rival Floyd in terms of impact on parts of the Carolinas.
Stay safe Kendall, and may the Lord grant you grace & strength to comfort neighbors, friends & parishioners in need, and make you a light to many.
an individual physician may have a Charter-protected religious right to ask another doctor to take over the role of ending a life
At first glance this protects at least individual conscience. But if another doctor is not readily available - or if the doctor who declines to euthanize thereby makes the patient feel uncomfortable, or discriminated against - we may be sure that law suits are bound to follow. John Richard Niehaus’s dictum applies: ‘Where heresy is made optional, sooner or later it will be mandatory.’
How are things in the Low Country with the storm past?
Be safe! If anyone needs a room in Rock Hill. let me know.
The “genius” of “civil rights commissions” in the U.S. is, ironically, they don’t have jurisdiction to entertain constitutional violations of the Bill of Rights, they can only enforce the “civil rights” laws. And so when you argue that their action would violate my right to free speech or violate my right to religious freedom or violate my right to free association, the response always is, “we are not a court, only an agency, we cannot consider constitutional issues and you cannot raise them here, only in court.” Of course, in order to even raise your claim in court you first have to pay the civil rights commission the $100,000 penalty they assessed you for not baking a cake for a gay wedding.
In the fall of 1999, we had two hurricanes/tropical storms here. One, Floyd, caused quite a bit of damage. The other, Dennis, gave us a lot of rain, went out to sea, and then came back for a second dose of rain.
What a crazy loop track that is…
The Babylon Bee is brilliant satire from a Christian angle. Often it is in equal measure funny and painful.
May God protect all who are in the path of this storm.
Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!
I have read elsewhere, over the years, of the terrifying power of Canadian human rights commissions to summon, try and judge people who have been insufficiently politically correct or even political incorrect ie have not conformed to the demands of the ever-changing multicultural bandwagon. Now this - if I read this correctly, Ontario law will punish anyone who uses binary pronouns. This is madness. It amounts to a new gnosticism, where the correct language and concepts are known to a select few who then punish the many for their transgressions. How did liberalism end up becoming so oppressive? And why do its cohorts not see this?
Is this from the Onion? Assuming these people don’t live in caves, they certainly would know all those phrases are from Disney movies. I don’t think the enforcers/ushers would need to take the boy into a private room for questioning; i.e this sounds completely made up.
And for that matter, Pope John Paul II was at Canterbury Cathedral. I suppose that to stretch a point you could say that they did not co-preside at the liturgy - but surely both leaders prayed. This claim looks to me like nonsense.
You must be praying for that predicted right turn to occur, as are we in North Carolina.
I guess I question the premis of this. Wasn’t Benedict at Westminster Abbey? And who is it who is declaring it hugely symbolic, and why don’t they have a face?
The biggest Surrender Cobra ever, the Big Game 1982 (Cal-Stanford). Four seconds to go, with Stanford 20, Cal 19. And then The Play:
The secret of the play? The Cal players also played together on the rugby team, so on receiving the ball in the last play of the game they decided to do a rugby maneuver and lateral the ball back among themselves. They hoped Stanford wouldn’t know how to defend against the lateral since it is rarely used in football any longer. Five laterals and then the touchdown. It worked.
BlueOntario, I agree, but I do think that immigration is emblematic of the trust issue more than anything else. It ties into so many other issues (the economy, crime, national security) while being the most visible issue that Republicans have come so close to selling out on. Middle and working class folks saw that and reacted accordingly when Trump came out and staked his claim (building the wall, etc.) while the others were toeing the line and trying not to commit to anything before the general election season.
The question is why evangelicals were caught so flatfooted? Were they just so focused on their core issues that they weren’t able to adapt to national trends and make themselves relevant (not by sacrificing their positions, but by realizing the conversation for this election had changed)? Do evangelicals need to realize they’re overrated as a political force as seniors have died off and been replaced by fewer Boomers and younger people who are truly hard-core Christians?
It’s bigger than one issue. It’s a complete lack of trust by a large segment of the population (much of the middle class - the working class may be a more fitting description) in the country’s institutions. I wouldn’t say that they believe in nothing and no one anymore, but it’s not that far from where they are. I’m tempted to use the term “circle-of-trust” a la “Meet the Fockers,” but it’s not a comedy.
The silence in that article from the evangelicals on Mr. Trump’s signature issue is deafening. In the conservative circles I move in, people just got tired of the shell game being played regarding illegal immigration by mainstream Republicans beholden to Big Business.
Back when Trump’s candidacy was still just a punch line, that issue was out there waiting for someone to pick it up and carry it over the goal line for the touchdown and the nomination. Evangelicals have only themselves to blame for not taking a stand.
There is a beautiful evocation of the meaning of the eucharist here, which - I do not mean to be unkind - is surprising as it comes from a parish in the Diocese of Sydney, which is at the further end of the evangelical spectrum. Indeed I doubt if the writer’s confreres would be happy with the reference to the altar. Still: a joy to read this, and the broader message about being a welcoming, nurturing parish is thought-provoking.
This was delightful—thank you for sharing it.
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