Nah, the candidates will be the first five bishops they bump into in the labyrinth.
Ralph, I’m pretty sure that’s how the medicine man got on the short list in the first place.
Don’t forget the peyote and sweat lodge.
Thank you, Terry Tee. My two unmarried early-30s daughters both report being either entirely ignored or being treated as odd at church. There are “young people” (i.e. high school and college age) and families, but many churches have no idea what to do with unmarried adults. This may contribute to many unmarrieds not attending church much.
#20 SC blu cat lady
I think it is just business, at least for these people. While there will be some who want the structure of the Episcopal Church, what has been put into place in South Carolina, including Bishop vonRosenberg as the Presiding Bishop’s appointee, has been from the TEC litigation playbook. They have a model they apply, approved and usually written by their lawyers which they have used in every diocese which has left, in order to claim there is an alternative diocese for the purposes of litigation. In that light, with minor variations, the attempt to close down Bishop Skilton is just what they did with Bishop Henry Scriven and anyone else who has served all parties. They seem to find them particularly threatening because of course they are conducting themselves as Christians, something which the Presiding Bishop and Goodwin Procter and their agents cannot tolerate.
It’s the powers of this world I am afraid, and a church office run by and for lawyers; lawyers who are micro-managing everything done and eating through the funds.
Let the smudging begin!
I’m pleased that Bishop Skilton is still in TEC and hope he stays.
But I’ll certainly understand if he leaves.
Here’s what’s absolutely apparent from this whole sordid situation. TEC talks a nice game about reconciliation and a big tent. Yet, when a Godly bishop such as Bp. Skilton is doing just that, he’s told, “you can’t do that any longer.” TEC has no aspirations of reconciliation at all, they want assimilation and submission to their way at all costs. There’s a certain false religion out there whose very name means submission too!
Pageantmaster—They would NEVER use a ouija board. I have it on good authority that they have hired a chamin and a medicine man. The medicine man has actually been added to the short list for PB. (The Wizard of Oz was unavailable).
Cat Lady—I completely disagree. TEC is apostate and staying there is tacit approval of what they have done. Not to mention, he has been treated very shabbily by vonR and Kate.
Could I just observe that the churches (in my humble opinion) fail single people generally, whether gay or not. We have activities for families and hold up family life for praise; we have activities for children; we strive to retain our teens. But the single adult men and women in our pews. What is there for them? I suppose you could reply that they can volunteer with everyone else for the soup kitchen, the food bank, the greening of the church, all the activities open to whoever turns up and rolls up their sleeves. Or the bible study or the prayer group. Well, yes. But couples or families can expect that those contacts will draw them into a social network. Can singles expect the same? If you doubt that, when did you last invite a single adult to a meal at your table?
#14 Pageantmaster, TECcies are already masters of intimidation. They don’t need attorneys to write threatening or intimidating letters.
16. David Keller, Agree with your observation about TEC attorneys. If this is an example of what they write, the developments in the July trial are no surprise.
Bishop Skilton is retired. No reason for him to leave TEC. This “inhibition” of Bishop Skilton reminds me of the Shakespeare quote- full of sound and fury signifying nothing. Yep. Totally meaningless.
Another reason I left.
We spent a whole morning on Skype calling the candidates and now move forward to the next stage of discernment using a ouija board which hopefully the entity formerly known as Santa will bring us at Winterval.
The Right Rev. Skilton will now be put forward, within TEC circles, as “the real reason” the case was lost (God willing) in South Carolina, i.e. because his activities were confusing the case. It will be like blaming the captain of the USS Ward - which sank a Japanese midget submarine just hours before the attack - for the losses at Pearl Harbor. It has the virtue for insiders of convincing themselves they’ve done nothing wrong.
To just what uses are a lot of these buildings being put now?
I would imagine that the Rt Rev vonRosenberg borrowed a couple phrases from his latest legal briefings to include in his letter to make himself sound more officious. The statement implying that the court is in some way “confused” is not doubt the work of the Rt. Rev. on his own. Perhaps he was referring to the court’s reception of his own confused statements when asked about where in the constitution and canons of TEC it allowed for the appointment of a bishop in lieu of election, or the formation of replacement dioceses out of thin air without reference to General Convention.
In the past, Mary Ailes would occasionally do dramatic readings of letters from the Presiding Bishop in a “Dolores Umbridge” sort of voice on Baby Blue Online. This letter would be a perfect candidate to revive that practice.
#15—There may have been legal “input”, but if his lawyer wrote it, no wonder TEC is being trounced in court lately. I’m with Cat Lady. My only question is when is Bp. Skilton going to officially leave TEC? He can then be a reconciling missionary bishop and thumb his nose at von R. It seems pretty obvious what TEC/vonR/KJS thinks about him.
#14 SC blu cat lady - Oh I would say the letter bears all the marks of having been drafted with legal input including the intimidating style so at odds with the opening and closing greetings, which seem to have just been pasted on, and the gradual build up of recitals and justifications leading towards ‘directives’ and ‘directions.’
No attorney I know would be caught dead writing such a ridiculously self-contradictory letter
Probably not, but do you know any TEC attorneys?
#6, Sophy, That letter to Bishop Skilton was not written by an attorney. No attorney I know would be caught dead writing such a ridiculously self-contradictory letter. Where does von Rosenberg get this cr@p? Really? That letter is pure TEC speak complete with self-contradictory sentences and more.
This letter reminds me of another quote from a famous author-“Full of sound and fury signifying nothing”. This “inhibition” of Bishop Skilton means absolutely nothing as he had not done the very things he is accused of doing. No doubt that is part of the reason why he is is confused as to why the letter was written to him.
What might this action mean financially for Bishop Skilton?
As I posted elsewhere on this work product; sounds like rearranging the deck chairs and polishing the silver on the Titanic.
Thank you for posting this, Kendall. I spent the better part of an hour the other day reading the the posts on her wall. Her love for others and for the gospel falls from the page.
I recall her first sermon at Christ Church, South Hamilton. She introduced herself as being from West “by God” Virginia. I was aghast but soon learned that she was a great preacher.
“We are reaching price levels which could hurt shale oil here in the US.”
And that is the entire point. If Saudi Arabia can destroy this then they can jack up their prices again.
Of course vonRosenberg may not have realized that this would annoy Skilton sufficiently to cause him to post the correspondence (or permit its posting) at the Diocese of South Carolina website. In this internet age it is even more important to consider twice and three times before sending a spiteful letter.
I don’t know if the Saudis are interested in damaging North Sea oil, but this situation is clearly damaging both Russia and Iran. Israel, meanwhile, is swimming in natural gas, which may be, besides opposition to the Iranian-financed Hamas radicals, a reason the new Egyptian regime is cooperating with Israeli efforts to stop smuggling into Gaza.
We are reaching price levels which could hurt shale oil here in the US.
I will comment here, rather than on the article which requires subscription.
High cost producers include us in Britain where North Sea oil production requires a high price to make it worthwhile to bring marginal fields into production, notwithstanding the higher density of our oil compared with Arabian light crude. Though if low cost competition saves us from having our towns and cities fracked to death, some might consider it a blessing in disguise.
What a reversal from the 1970’s where low oil prices are now considered to be a ‘problem’.
The place to watch though may be Russia which is in chaos and where sanctions have really bitten, and the policy interest rate is now 17%! A recent visitor tells me how he has noticed that the shop shelves are emptying and shops are increasingly looking like Soviet-era outlets.
It is also interesting to remember the parallel between the efforts of Bishop Skilton to minister to all parties in South Carolina and those of Church of England Bishop Henry Scriven who ministered to all parties in Pittsburgh. Bishop Scriven was purportedly deposed from ministry for his efforts by the TEC Presiding Bishop, a spiteful and childish act which was ignored by the Church of England. He continued to serve as a bishop in the Diocese of Oxford and the Church Mission Society, not to mention recently preaching back at Trinity School for Ministry in Ambridge.
It is also pretty easy to see where else the rage is in this case.
Bishop vonRosenberg has laid out the TEC definition of “reconciliation” which is similar to that of the five year old child, who wants everything, and wants it right now
Yes, five year old child seems to be about the right level
I think it’s what certain types of attorneys do when they 1) strongly suspect they have lost and 2) are very very angry over it and 3) have much wounded pride and arrogance and ego engaged in the battle.
It’s a protective defense mechanism, so to speak, for losing.
Well, its probably still early to know what the outcome of the Judge’s decision will be, though you may be right about the thinking of the drafters of this letter. It would be good to continue to pray for South Carolina and for the Judge
If a very naughty TEC Attorney has called the Judge ‘confused’, I wondered if it would it be regarded as a spankable offence or just deserving of a period on the naughty step?
Could it be a last ditch attempt to get the judge to write or say something that might be used in an appeal. It won’t work with this judge.
What a charming and lovely Episcopal bishop Bishop vonRosenberg is.
RE: “what is one to make of an attorney who gets a client to write that the Judge is confused . . . “
Pageantmaster, I think it’s what certain types of attorneys do when they 1) strongly suspect they have lost and 2) are very very angry over it and 3) have much wounded pride and arrogance and ego engaged in the battle.
It’s a protective defense mechanism, so to speak, for losing.
it was written by a TEC attorney. Non-lawyers simply don’t write like that
Good point, but what is one to make of an attorney who gets a client to write that the Judge is confused - WOW - isn’t an attorney an officer of the court? What a way for an officer of the court to behave! It seems to be treating the court/Judge with contempt, if not a contempt of court.
I don’t think I would want to be in his or her shoes.
vonRosenberg may have signed that letter, but it was written by a TEC attorney. Non-lawyers simply don’t write like that.
To date, I think both Judge Goodstein and Bishop Skilton seem remarkably clear on what has happened to the Episcopal Church in these parts.
It is also helpful that Bishop vonRosenberg has laid out the TEC definition of “reconciliation” which is similar to that of the five year old child, who wants everything, and wants it right now.
I wonder if Bishop vonRosenberg would ever say that in court.
It seems unwise, indeed, for vonRosenburg to be fanning the flames in this manner just at the point when a decision is expected from the court.
Resolved, That the Presiding Officers, in consultation with Executive Council, convene
regional consultative groups of professionals such as developers, financiers, architects,
designers, community organizers, urban planners, artists, social entrepreneurs, and lawyers
to serve as a resource for congregations seeking to re-envision their space and its possible
uses, with an eye for demographic changes and trends in their region, and that $200,000
be allotted for this purpose;
And just how many “developers, financiers, architects, designers, community organizers, urban planners, artists, social entrepreneurs, and lawyers” do you figure you are going to get when you stretch $200,000 over 3 years? Lunches are going to cost more than that.
Tucked in on p.8 (Reimagine Governance Structures)
Resolved, That the diocesan assessment percentage be lowered while making it canonically
mandatory (with means for pastoral exception) for each diocese to meet that assessment.
Nice little diocese ya got there, be a shame if anything were to happen to it. We can offer ya “protection” so there ain’t no accidents, but it’s gonna cost ya.
Bishop vonRosenberg writes to Bishop Skilton:
the court ... appears to be quite confused about what has happened to The Episcopal Church in these parts
Referring to ‘the court’ is to refer to the Judge in his or her court.
Bishop vonRosenberg calling Judge Goodstein ‘confused’ while awaiting her judgement seems to be playing with fire.
Unicameral—isn’t this what the CofE said at PECUSA’s origins was not going to be possible if PECUSA wanted to be Anglican, even in its own distinctive way?
I wonder how liberal Bishops will react to this?
What a mess this denomination is becoming…
This is very sad. I am an attorney myself, and it looks so much that life in the church is these days being governed and led by attorneys and attorneys’ decisions. I read the letters to say that Bishop von Rosenberg is fearful that Bishop Skilton’s ministry will in some manner threaten the litigating position of ECSC, a fairly far-fetched fear I would hope, and a poor basis to govern a church. Whatever you sow, that also shall you reap.
I am glad to read that this hero’s service to his country as a soldier and as an adoptive father to two foster care children is being recognised and rewarded. When we read that Congress participated in a “special” session of working on a Saturday, let us all remember that our military are on call 24 x 7 for our benefit and our freedom.
Here’s the deal—Disney spends money on what it needs, not pie in the sky things it wants. If governments did the same there would be no infrastructure issues. In my state there is a huge debate over paying for infrastructure upgrades. We also have a multi-million dollar budget surplus, yet not a single legislator has suggested we spend the surplus on roads. There are all kinds of vote buying projects to spend the surplus on, but the only solution for road repair is more taxes!
Having the Sacrifice of the Mass at a funeral imparts decided spiritual benefits upon both the deceased and those present, whether they partake of the Sacrament or are ineligible to. Suggesting a memorial service, therefore, would be to impose a Protestant understanding upon Catholic proceedings.
This is a live issue over here.
Meanwhile problems continue
That should say bomb.
Thank goodness someone in the media has finally figured out what is really going on with OPEC. The Saudis don’t want Iran to get the boob or the radicals in the region to be funed; and they don’t want to rely on Israel to protect them, since we won’t.
OK, so this is probably not the place for levity, but this reminds me of one of the old “priest, minister, rabbi” jokes.
A priest, a minister, and a rabbi were all asked what they hoped someone would say about them at their funeral.
The priest says: “I’d like them to say—‘He was a true and faithful son of the Church who served his flock tirelessly and well.’”
The minister says: “I’d like them to say—‘He was servant of the Lord who brought many into the Kingdom of God.’”
The rabbi says: “I’d like them to say—‘Look, he’s moving!’”
““As it happens, you have no idea what my foundational principles are in this matter because I refuse to be deflected into a discussion of them. Because that is the major way that you avoid discussing what this thread is actually about.”
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