I’m with you, RickW and DietofWorms. There seems to be a lot of folk who would like to make a church in their own image…
Themedia has analyzed this crisis with it typical sweeping genralizations. While many subptime borrowers face payment increases from the 2/28 or 3/27 loans, those increases pale by comparison to the increases facing some of the “good credi” borrowers who foolishly took Option ARMs. In extreme cases they can be facing new payments triple their current payment.
The subprime loan, properly utilized, served a valuable purpose. It allowed borrowers with credit issues to get interim financing while they cleaned up their credit. If they failed to follow through, they are now paying the price. However, I have many clients who got 30-year fixed “subprime” loans at rates as low as 4.5%.
Subprime loans are no more to blame for the crisis than that saws are to blame for people getting cut.
There is no story here. Today was quite calm. The 10-year note moved only 3.9 basis points. The movement at the short end of the yield curve merely reflects the increased likelihood of a cut in the federal funds rate after the cut in the discount rate lst week.
I only know a few of these churches, and while they are not for me, at the end of the day they are doing their job and bringing people to Christ who may have never darkened the door of our liturgically-correct churches.
If confetti, coffee shops, laser shows or whatever bring folks to Christ, who am I to judge?
**Reposted from Stand Firm**
Considering that I’m in my 19th week of pregnancy (our first), I hope I can keep my temper in check in regards to this woman’s “list”. At least most of what I would say has been said more eloquently by other commentors.
As for most of the items on that list, I’m looking FORWARD to them:
— Childbirth is torture
that’s what painkillers are for…
— You will become a mobile feeding bottle
I knew there was a reason they kept getting bigger…
— You will struggle to continue having fun yourself
Really? Every mother I know still knows how to have fun (some more than others )
— You will lose touch with your friends
Considering half of my friends are mothers themselves…
— You will have to learn a language of idiots to communicate with your children
I have yet to see anyone communicating with their child look like an idiot…they usually look joyful.
— Your children will kill your desire
So is that why so many families have more than one kid?
— Children sound the death knell of the couple
Not in a healthy marriage.
— Having children is conformist
oh poor baby
— Children are expensive
— You will be duped into thinking that there is such a thing as a perfect child
No one is perfect, but all children are a blessing from God.
— You will inevitably be disappointed by your own child
Life is full of disappointments, get over it.
— You will be expected to be a mother before you are a professional and a woman
— Families are a nightmare
Someone has some traumatic childhood issues…
— Children will put the seal on your childhood dreams
And for those of us whose childhood dreams include motherhood? I should think that children would be the realization of that dream.
— You can’t stop yourself wanting complete happiness for your progeny
She says it like it’s a bad thing. God wants His children to experience His goodness, why can’t we want our children to be happy?
— Staying at home to look after children is breathtakingly dull
Stressful, yes. But I can’t imagine it would ever be DULL.
— You have to choose between motherhood and professional success
Again, oh poor baby.
— When a child appears, the father disappears
Since when did this become absolute fact? I know plenty of men who are great fathers. There’s also this thing called a marriage vow that is usually taken seriously…
— There are already too many children on the planet Children are dangerous. They will take you to court without a second thought
And just what planet is this woman talking about?
Many of these reasons seem to me to be obvious results of a lack of parental responsibility.
I’ll get off of the pregnancy induced soapbox now…mmm…cookie…
#17—ROFL!!! Glad you explained! I was wondering if we should be sending Fr. Matt a “man-zierre” or the Bro. (re: Seinfeld).
Yes, this is satire but there is one point on which I ABSOLUTELY agree with her on—too many of today’s children are spoiled and catered to beyond belief. Parents seem to think that they are being neglectful if they aren’t rushing out to buy the kids every new gadget and enrolling them in an exhausting plethora of enrichment activities. (Kids don’t seem to be able to spontaneously play outside and organize games of kickball anymore. Now it’s “play dates” and adult-led classes and organized activities.)
It’s NOT healthy and we’re raising generations of young people who have to be led and can’t resolve conflicts but are FABULOUS at being consumers. They have to be entertained constantly and can’t handle quiet time because of the go-go-go schedule their parents started with them from when they were young. I would never have dared say, “I’m bored” to my parents growing up but that’s the common complaint of kids, who are surrounded by entertainment devices that my generation couldn’t fathom when we were young. When I was teaching, I constantly fought the battle of administrators thinking that good, sound teaching practices weren’t enough if we didn’t throw in an element of “entertainment,” too.
So, she’s right when she says that kids need to get used to NOT being the centers of the universe. It’s hard for parents to resist the temptation of over-indulgence but, ultimately, it’s better for the kids.
I would have nominated these folks: http://www.cantius.org/
They have left of the Most Prophetic One, The Episcopal Church, which has the New Thing.
I was born a Californian, Rob, and still have family in the Bay Area.
My four are all launched, 2 married with children, another to marry this October, and the youngest soon to be engaged. Every stage has been wonderful and every step has brought challenges. God is good!
You can’t “regain possession” of what you did not possess.
This is big, real, and overdue.
Remarkable, and worth re reading many times. In this age of quick points and quick retorts this one shuts me up. Too much to comment on really.
YESSSSSS!!! Dana Henry! Exactly what I was thinking. And now, I must take the 2-year-old trying to type this for me to his bed.
“soccer hooligans of reasoned discourse”: I like it Hitchens and Dawkins exemplify the triumph of polemical rhetoric over reasoned discourse.
While at the ASA/Cis meeting in Edinburgh I heard Alister McGrath speak on some central issues in religion and science. He offered some reasoned criticisms of Dawkins’ argument, which are expounded at length in the book by his wife and himself, “The Dawkins Delusion.”
As one who loves dogs and has three, I have struggled mightily to be sympathetic to this man and this situation. I pray that whatever within him is causing this may be healed as the days and months ahead.
I would have liked to have found a better chart, but the point is when you see this what you are witnessing is a panic in flight to quality, which means the credit concerns are still quite serious out there. The Fed tried on Friday, but the chart shows that as of Monday it didn’t work.
A positive and temperate response that should be a model to other conservative groups.
There was a long article on the front page of USA Today a few days ago on the uptick in births in European countries like France. It reported much rejoicing of thgis fact. The message from USA Today: Do not worry about the birth dearth in Europe any longer. But the story was most likely a fraud or at least a cover-up. For nowhere in the article did it mention WHO in these European countries was having the babies. According to other sources the uptick is caused by the huge Moslem families in those countries, NOT a sudden increase in the size of the families of native Europeans.
Well, I’m glad to read that this might be satire. But it’s too close to what a not-insignificant number of people think these days.
However, the problem may eventually be self-correcting. James Taranto at the Wall Street Journal has documented what he calls the “Roe Effect”: the tendency of people who dislike children and/or approve of abortion, to have fewer babies. Children aborted or contracepted away, starting in 1973, did not vote in the 2000 & 2004 elections. With time, the selfish old misanthropes die off, and the country is inherited by children of folk with more birth-positive attitudes.
My hope is that St Peter’s Anglican in Tallahassee will make it to America’s Least Innovative Churches list.
I’m not an economist, but I do know a lot of people who were affected by the ‘87 crash - in the insurance brokerage field which was tremendously “down-sized”, and later on in other industries through the ripple effect. My father-in-law didn’t listen to his own advice and lost a lot. Guess it’s your perspective.
Something (temporarily) significant may have happened in the markets the past couple of weeks, but this move in the T-Bill auction rate isn’t it.
And graphs of this sort, where the y-axis does not start at zero, always exaggerate the visual appearance of the trend.
interesting to remember how big a news event the 87 “crash” was, and how small an actual event it was
I know, old news, but some innovations just shouldn’t happen.
Several have asked about the existence of a fire engine baptistry that is designed to shoot confetti out of cannons when a child is baptized. Yes, this actually does exist. You can see it at First Baptist Church, Springdale, Arkansas. The Founders Journal reported on this back in 2000. Following are comments taken from the news items in the Fall 2000 issue (#42) of the journal.
Christianity Today (June 8, 2000) and other news sources have reported on what appears to be a new trend in some large evangelical churches. First Baptist Church in Springdale, Arkansas hired a well-known former Disney World designer of children’s amusement rides to design two “high tech sets” for elementary age worship areas: Toon Town for first-through third-graders, and Planet 45 for fourth- and fifth-graders. The fully animated cartoon town has 26-foot-tall buildings. The rationale behind the $270,000 project is summed up by the church’s children’s minister: “Putting a talking head in front of kids for an hour doesn’t work ….This is a visual generation. We need to use technology to the max.” That includes a special baptistry which is built around a fire engine. When a child is baptized, the sirens sound and confetti is fired out of cannons.
When kids enter the rooms, a music video is playing on a giant screen in front, and they can amuse themselves at a row of nonviolent video game screens along walls. Once the service starts, “it’s 90 minutes of mostly frenetic activity, akin to a live television variety show from the 1950s. In Toon Town, buzzers and bells sound, lights flash from the ceiling and from car headlights on the set, bubbles come out the top of a giant bucket and fill the room, confetti streamers squirt out onto the first few rows, and mist is sprayed onto the crowd.” According to the designer, Bruce Barry, “It’s just like going on a ride at Disney World.”
A word of encouragement from a father of four grown children: leave them in the hands of the Lord. You raised them, loved them, nurtured them. They were faithfully taken to church, Sunday School, perhaps Christian schools. You did your job Now trust the Lord to be faithful to his covenant promises.
No. 15 - Padre Wayne - You are right. Besides WC there are many other enclaves of conservatism in the Bay Area. I’m tired of comments from people who really don’t know very much about the place.
If Bonds hadn’t had to play in Candlestick Park for 7 years he would have probably reached the 850 mark by now. All you non-Giants fans - bugger off.
Looking at the nomination form, it seems that the criteria for “innovation” range from effective use of modern communications like blogs and web sites, to active and effective church planting.
Churches using to web to spread the Gospel through Vblogs and weblogs as well as planting new churches seems like a good thing to me. I’m looking forward to learning more.
Those dogs, like Michael Vick himself, are creatures of God. “I believe that God created me, together with all creatures,” Luther’s Small Catechism reminds us. Yes, we have been given dominion over the beasts of the field, and yes, certainly, we differ from those beasts in having been created, as they were not, in the image of God. But in our creatureliness we share the same lack of deservedness or merit, and enjoy the same threshold act of grace of God’s creating us. We reflect the same handiwork and careful design of a loving and sovereign maker. We both point to the Creator who made us. To destroy those animals in such a grotesque display of senseless cruelty is to dishonor the Creator who made them, to ignore our duty of care as stewards of His creation. One does not have to be an animal rights kook to see that here is something very different than killing for food, or using animals responsibly to make this earth better. This was destruction of God’s handiwork for no discernible purpose other than to indulge a base inclination toward cruelty. Perhaps as Michael Vick loses his freedom, and himself becomes a caged animal in a sense, he will gain an appreciation for the dignity that should be given all God’s creatures, great and small. Maybe he will with God’s grace reflect upon being a creature, and so be drawn to his Creator, “the Lord God [who] made us all.”
Why is it that the leadership of ECUSA have no sense of the forces of evil and it’s impact upon the brokenness of humankind?
Can it be that human brokenness and the presence of evil are irrelevant to ECUSA’s leadership?
If so, can ECUSA’s leadership ‘properly’ be called Christians?
And, if they do not adhere to Christianity, what should they be called?
It is encouraging to see that Scotland has Anglican clergy who are strongly assertive that they are not secularists in their beliefs.
By the way, one of my ancestors emigrated to Canada from the small town outside of Edinburgh called Corstorphine in which St Thomas, Corstorphine is situated.
Knowing just a little about dogs, including the breed most commonly used for fighting, I have a whole lot to say about this case and those involved.
However, my mother taught me that if I do not have anything nice to say it’s best to say nothing at all.
Church as consumer-driven entertainment. No thanks! When they get tired of the latest bands and music videos, they’ll come looking for the REAL thing—the WORD, and it hasn’t changed for about 2,000 years.
Rom 14:5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11It is written:
” ‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.’ “[d] 12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way.
Jesus died for people who consume too. Shouldn’t they have a chance at the gospel?
I was actually looking forward to Vick falling flat on his face under Petrino, so sports talk would finally shut up about his “re-inventing the position.”
I don’t think church as a consumer item is a good thing.
An extraordinary piece, worth reading and praying and acting upon. I found myself greatly moved and encouraged. Immediately, as I am a “modern” I began to think of “how” this would work out. Yet I realize that my wanting to know “how” is a quest for security, for safeness, and that I really know that this is not achieved by strategy but by grace.
Not to be too sardonic, but there is also a growing cultural reality, in which no one EVER says they are sorry and means it.
I suspect that if someone apologizes, they think that they are somehow making themselves legally liable for what ever ocurred and so to avoid that trap, they never, ever apologize.
On the other hand, it could just be a part of the growing cultural narcissism in which someone elses problem, has no bearing whatsoever, on ME, Wonderful ME, even if it it is I who caused (or helped to cause) the train wreck.
Is being “innovative” necessarily a good thing for a church to be?
Just wait, Father! My oldest got married a couple of weeks ago—much more difficult than when she went off to school! The father/daughter dance at the reception was to Sunrise, Sunset from Fiddler on the Roof—the first line is, “Is that the little girl I carried…” TOUGH STUFF!!!
Britain’s social breakdown is due to its militant secularism.
Lorenzo, thanks—I hadn’t seen that site before
Any article containing the barbaric phrase ‘self truncation’ should be dismissed on aesthetic grounds alone.
Not only good Christian men, with solid thinking—also the rectors of the largest and most viable churches in Scotland, Episcopal and otherwise. God bless them, with thanks for prior fellowship.
Wellllll, the Bible does begin with:
“In the big inning”.
8 days - count them, 8 days until school starts.
The timing of this article coming into the media is very interesting…. think of all of the crazed mothers counting down the days until school starts (I am one of them, by the way!) who might, in a great moment of weakness, read this article, and then, in a very very teensy small place, give an “AMEN!”
And then, we come back to reality, tear our eyes from the computer screen, wipe a nose, clean up the syrup which has mysteriously exploded in the microwave, kiss a boo boo, drive a child to another sleepover….. and unexpectedly get the biggest hug and sloppiest kiss with an “I love you Mom!” from the sweetest most adorable child in the world - then we think, “what would I EVER do without this child???!!!”
I drive my daughter to her dorm Wednesday. She’ll be starting her SOPHMORE year! and my son entered 7th grade today.
If she is partial to garlic, Coccia House is the place for pizza and other Italian cuisine.
Kendall—My daughter is on the way to Charleston. Jimmy—I’m in Greenville. Maybe we need to do some trading around?
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