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By Formerly Marion R. on May 24, 2012 at 5:16 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Stephen Edmondson's ATR Article on Communion of the Unbaptized
And the sand-castle virtues are all swept away in
the tidal destruction
the moral melee.
The elastic retreat rings the close of play as the last wave uncovers
the newfangled way.
But your new shoes are worn at the heels and
your suntan does rapidly peel and
your wise men don’t know how it feels
By driver8 on May 24, 2012 at 4:56 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Stephen Edmondson's ATR Article on Communion of the Unbaptized
Why am I not surprised to learn that the author taught at VTS. “Theologically thick”? How true…
By Hal Duston on May 24, 2012 at 3:44 pm [comment link]
From the entry: (The Hill) Study: Baby-boomer retirements don’t explain unemployment figures
From 1948 to 1968, the overall labor force participation rate hovered between 58% and 60%. In 1969, it increased over 60%, continuing until 1988, where it hovered between 66% and 68% until 1996 when it began steadily decreasing. By 2007 it had decreased to 66%. After 2008 the decrease accelerated and today it is below 64%.
The labor force participation rate for men has been steadily decreasing over that entire period from 86% in 1948 to 70% today. The rate for women parallels the overall rate, increasing from 32% in 1948 plateauing at 60% in 1997 and then decreasing in 2008 to 58% today.
Interestingly, the labor force participation rate has been steadily decreasing from 1992 for all education levels with the exception of less than a high school diploma, which has been steadily increasing over the same timeframe.
The labor force participation rate for age 16-17 and age 18-19 has plummeted from 50%-20% and 68%-46% respectively since 1977. Age 20-24, age 25-34, age 35-44, and age 45-54 all roughly parallel the overall rate. Age 55+ decreased from 43% in 1948 bottoming out at 30% in 1992, and then increased once again in 1996 plateauing at 40% in 2008.
By race all labor force participation rates parallel the overall rate.
By sophy0075 on May 24, 2012 at 2:35 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Chief of Staff of Diocese of Virginia Expresses "Disappointment" with Falls Church (Anglican)
Yet another example of Pravda-speak!
I predict Falls Church Anglican will petition the US Supreme Court for a writ of certiorari if it is denied justice by the VA Supreme Court. The TEC Dio VA will regret its mendacious claims of “generosity” then.
By sophy0075 on May 24, 2012 at 2:31 pm [comment link]
From the entry: (The Hill) Study: Baby-boomer retirements don’t explain unemployment figures
The Left is still failing to acknowledge that many have dropped off the unemployment rolls because they have been unable to find work. Some of those folks (myself included) are Baby Boomers. We may be close to retirement age, but we are not voluntarily retired.
By QohelethDC on May 24, 2012 at 2:12 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Ousted after demanding wine for Mass, Charleston County jail chaplain claims rights were violated
I was struck by the following sentence in the article: “Neither of them knows why the issue suddenly came to a head this week, when the two wrangled verbally. Words were exchanged, and the quarrel ended with Lucas ordering the chaplain to leave and relinquish his badge.”
I wonder if there’s a piece of this story that we don’t have.
By David Keller on May 24, 2012 at 2:06 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Ousted after demanding wine for Mass, Charleston County jail chaplain claims rights were violated
#1—Peyote is illegal and a sweat lodge is not a “substance”. Consequently, the argument is a complete red herring. This is the kind of stuff that makes me suspicous of government, in general. Re-read the article. Mr. Lucas states very clearly that he suspects the good father is going to assist in helping prisoners with a civil rights suit against the jail. One doesn’t even need to read between the lines to figure out what is going on.
By Saltmarsh Gal on May 24, 2012 at 1:40 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Stephen Edmondson's ATR Article on Communion of the Unbaptized
So, what would happen if I tried to take Algebra 3 before I had basic math..I’d FAIL, that’s would happen. So, too with the Church. This is setting people up for failure as disciples - their life in Christ would become like the seed sown on the path, in the rocky soil or in the weed patch. Eliminating the spiritual disciplines of a faith community is the surest way I know to dissolve it…how can the salt retain its’ saltiness? This is crazy thinking! (‘Scuse me while I have a hissy fit!)
By Randy Hoover-Dempsey on May 24, 2012 at 1:21 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Trinity Episcopal Cathedral, Columbia, South Carolina calls Tim Jones to be their new Dean
I’ve known Tim and Jill for over a decade. He is a godly man, committed to Jesus Christ and to faithful ministry. God bless him and Trinity in this new ministry.
By Jim the Puritan on May 24, 2012 at 1:06 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Stephen Edmondson's ATR Article on Communion of the Unbaptized
Absolutely no recognition that Scripture speaks specifically to this, just like it speaks specifically regarding homosexuality and sexual immorality.
By Jim the Puritan on May 24, 2012 at 12:56 pm [comment link]
From the entry: The Diocese of Eastern Oregon Report Supporting Communion of the Unbaptized
Not recognizably Christian. TEC discarded Christian baptism in 1979, and now the Eucharist is going the same way. Thank goodness I grew up under the 1928 Book of Common Prayer and the Thirty-Nine Articles, and have a Christian understanding of the sacraments.
By Alta Californian on May 24, 2012 at 12:51 pm [comment link]
From the entry: For sale: One Episcopal church with small-town charm in Oakfield, New York
Grazi, elves.
By David Keller on May 24, 2012 at 12:49 pm [comment link]
From the entry: (SHNS) Terry Mattingly--Professor Benedict addresses Catholic academia
When I graduated from law school I worked for the Supreme Court as a staff attorney handling primarily criminal cases. The Chief Justice and the Asociate Justices had a number of rules and regulations we had to follow. They also had their personal quirks which we had to be attuned to. We could be terminated if we didn’t follow the rules. If we didn’t like the rules or the environment we could quit. So please explain the problem again. I seem to be confused.
By BlueOntario on May 24, 2012 at 12:39 pm [comment link]
From the entry: (ENS) Ronald Pogue--How ‘Unapologetically Episcopalian’ came to be
But you would almost think from the foregoing remarks that there’s something intrinsically wrong with feeding programs, service to people with AIDS, or a hospice program.
Where would you almost read that? I take Jesus’s parable of the Good Samaritan quite seriously and I would hope that is reflected in my post. Perhaps not reflects as well, though, I also believe that the Church catholic takes Jesus’s statement that we are to teach repentance to all persons and baptise the penitent in the names of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is the Church’s mission; while all mankind is expected by God to care for the physical needs of His mortal creation, Christians are called to service of the eternal soul also.
That’s what I find missing this and similar lists of good deeds done by churches. Was anyone freed from bondage to sin? Was anyone told of the grace of the Father through the blood of the Son? Do we only half love our neighbor?
I confess that I often settle for the here and now and forget the eternal. May God forgive me for those times and bless the person I served with a better servant than I.
By wildfire on May 24, 2012 at 12:39 pm [comment link]
From the entry: A Look Back to 2009 and a Consideration of Statistics in the Episcopal Diocese of Lexington
One thing that has struck me recently looking at the 2010 numbers Karen links in #27 is that Province 4 is the only province among TEC’s domestic dioceses that performs above average. It’s decline for the decade was minus 16.2% in ASA. The average for TEC domestically was minus 23.2%.
Province 4 comprises the southeast US, the most religious and conservatively religious part of the country. All of the dioceses Karen mentions in #27 and six of the nine growing dioceses she identifies in #26 are in Province 4—as is Lexington.
If you take out Province 4, the rest of TEC domestically lost 25.4% of ASA during this decade. (And that one province constitutes a quarter of TEC’s domestic ASA.)
By Don C on May 24, 2012 at 12:11 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Trinity Episcopal Cathedral, Columbia, South Carolina calls Tim Jones to be their new Dean
On the surface, this appears to be a good for move for Trinity Cathedral and the Upper diocese.
Sarah?
By Laura R. on May 24, 2012 at 12:00 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Ousted after demanding wine for Mass, Charleston County jail chaplain claims rights were violated
As I understand it, the priest must consume both the Body and Blood during the celebration of Mass, though laity may receive in one kind; this being the case, wine is necessary for a valid Mass.
By Rob Eaton+ on May 24, 2012 at 11:39 am [comment link]
From the entry: The Diocese of Eastern Oregon Report Supporting Communion of the Unbaptized
I can trace the rhetorical trajectory that allowed it to be said (“post-Christian”, and all that) in this document coming from Eastern Oregon, but I just have to question it anyway,
“As Christendom was waning…?”
The 1979 BCP was - suddenly - the answer to waning Christendom?
This makes me appreciate the phrase all the more - as Senior Priest implied - “yesterday, today and tomorrow.”
By Stefano on May 24, 2012 at 11:22 am [comment link]
From the entry: Mark Eldredge on Evangelism and Its Consequences
‘‘That’s what family does…..’‘
That’s not just ‘going to church’, that’s ‘Being the Church’
By Terry Tee on May 24, 2012 at 11:14 am [comment link]
From the entry: Euro Zone Crisis Boils as Leaders Fail to Signal New Steps
It is extraordinary. The sense of lack of political leadership and drift in Europe is unprecented in modern times. It makes me think of: ‘Where there is no vision the people perish.’
By Dan Crawford on May 24, 2012 at 11:12 am [comment link]
From the entry: Ousted after demanding wine for Mass, Charleston County jail chaplain claims rights were violated
Sorry, Clueless, but the administration of communion by lay ministers outside of Mass is not the same as attending Mass. One wonders where Lucas worships and whether this has affected his judgment.
By Dan Crawford on May 24, 2012 at 11:05 am [comment link]
From the entry: The Diocese of Eastern Oregon Report Supporting Communion of the Unbaptized
Why did I honestly think a quarter of a century ago that becoming an Episcopalian would bring me closer to Christ?
By Dan Crawford on May 24, 2012 at 11:03 am [comment link]
From the entry: Stephen Edmondson's ATR Article on Communion of the Unbaptized
He wouldn’t be amused “by” - sorry.
By Dan Crawford on May 24, 2012 at 11:02 am [comment link]
From the entry: Stephen Edmondson's ATR Article on Communion of the Unbaptized
I find it amusing that the late Fr. Aidan Kavanaugh got dragged into this “theologically thick” hodgepodge. I’m fairly certain he wouldn’t be amused the rigorous application of “intuition” and “experience” in such a prime example of intellectual detritus.
By Grant LeMarquand on May 24, 2012 at 11:02 am [comment link]
From the entry: Mark Eldredge on Evangelism and Its Consequences
way to go Mark!
Grant
By Second Citizen on May 24, 2012 at 10:59 am [comment link]
From the entry: (WSJ) What Happens When Toddlers Zone Out With an iPad
Some years ago I read a science fiction novel (and, no, I can’t remember the title) where the hero was a former cop who had dependency issues…he’d been a ‘wirehead’, had a socket installed so he could plug in stimulus directly to his brain’s pleasure center. In the course of the plot he declined to personalize (by naming) his PDA (personal digital assistant) and only solved the crime because he was not dependent on it…and those who were dependent were manipulated by their PDAs that were all tied into a central computer somewhere. Sounds like ‘smart phones’ to me. iPads can be similar.
By Jeremy Bonner on May 24, 2012 at 10:26 am [comment link]
From the entry: Ousted after demanding wine for Mass, Charleston County jail chaplain claims rights were violated
I was thinking the same, Clueless. For many older Catholics, receiving in one kind was the norm and the introduction of the cup on a weekly basis an innovation of the last fifty years.
By A Senior Priest on May 24, 2012 at 9:40 am [comment link]
From the entry: The Diocese of Eastern Oregon Report Supporting Communion of the Unbaptized
These people are approaching the subject communion like many twenty-somethings approach sex. Just as in the traditional Christian doctrine of marriage sex is seen as the fulfillment and sign of a previously existing liturgically empowered spiritual union between a man and a woman, so communion is the fulfillment and sign of spiritual union with Christ which is first liturgically expressed in baptism. Today, sex is used as part of the dating process to see how well a pair of individuals gets along rather than as the culmination of a marital union. Sex, in effect, has become merely a bonding agent in the dating process. The soi-disant Diocese of Eastern Oregon proudly assert that they are not representative, either theologically or politically, of the part of Oregon in which they live, which makes them a cult, to my way of thinking. [This I read in their self-study when I was head-hunted as a possible nominee for bishop.] They are essentially seeing communion as part of the dating process whereby a possible candidate for membership in their little club gets the privileges of membership while he or she is trying them out. It just shows they have no standards as well as not understanding of how religion works as a system of transformative change.
By A Senior Priest on May 24, 2012 at 9:28 am [comment link]
From the entry: Stephen Edmondson's ATR Article on Communion of the Unbaptized
I can understand someone receiving communion if that person comes to faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior along the same lines as St Paul speaks of Abraham being justified by his faith before he was circumcised. But the big caveat is that the person must have a genuine saving faith which then leads irresistibly to baptism. 99% of this hoo-ha over communing the unbaptized is about allowing the uncommitted and unsaved to purportedly participate in one of the two central Christian mysteries without having received the prior rite of initiation. All religions everywhere assert that in order to validly participate in the practices particular to that religion one must have received the necessary initiations and empowerments. That this is even being discussed shows how devoid of grace the people advocating it are.
By DGus on May 24, 2012 at 8:36 am [comment link]
From the entry: Stephen Edmondson's ATR Article on Communion of the Unbaptized
“Theologically thick”? I skimmed through it to see if it discusses or even cites 1 Corinthians 10 and 11. It does not. Remarkable. I decided I need not “Read it all carefully”.
By Clueless on May 24, 2012 at 8:18 am [comment link]
From the entry: Ousted after demanding wine for Mass, Charleston County jail chaplain claims rights were violated
One can receive under either the bread and the wine. Every parish has lay eucharistic ministers who take preconsecrated bread to the home or hospital bound, and nobody demands wine. All he needed to do was to use preconsecrated bread. No problem.
By Saltmarsh Gal on May 24, 2012 at 8:17 am [comment link]
From the entry: Mark Eldredge on Evangelism and Its Consequences
sorry..should have been- Praise God!!
By Saltmarsh Gal on May 24, 2012 at 8:16 am [comment link]
From the entry: Mark Eldredge on Evangelism and Its Consequences
Absolutely love this story..prasie God..
By Creighton+ on May 24, 2012 at 8:09 am [comment link]
From the entry: Ousted after demanding wine for Mass, Charleston County jail chaplain claims rights were violated
Kendall,
With the Post Courier’s new policy of requiring a paid subscription, I cannot read the article.
By Ralph on May 24, 2012 at 7:09 am [comment link]
From the entry: Ousted after demanding wine for Mass, Charleston County jail chaplain claims rights were violated
A serious error that will surely be rectified promptly. No Roman Catholic priest would (or could) celebrate Mass without wine. I doubt that many Anglican priests would, either. But Holy Communion prepared by a non-Roman Catholic priest would not meet a prisoner’s Mass obligation.
It sounds like Mr. Lucas could use some cultural sensitivity training.
On such a slippery slope, Lucas wouldn’t rule out inmates asking for “peyote or sweat lodges.”
Peyote and/or sweat lodges would be entirely appropriate for certain Native American spiritual practices.
By NoVA Scout on May 24, 2012 at 6:20 am [comment link]
From the entry: Chief of Staff of Diocese of Virginia Expresses "Disappointment" with Falls Church (Anglican)
The court essentially ruled that donations and contributions after the split belonged to the departees and those that were donated before the split belonged to the Episcopalians, Michael. Where is the inequity in that? How could it be that the people who left would be entitled to confiscate property, assets, and funds from the people who stayed? This was not some country preacher’s one-off mega-church.
By Sarah on May 24, 2012 at 4:25 am [comment link]
From the entry: A Look Back to 2009 and a Consideration of Statistics in the Episcopal Diocese of Lexington
Besides being utterly devastating . . . your comments, Karen B, are Divisive, Unloving, and Hateful, just as this entire post by Canon Harmon was!
By MichaelA on May 24, 2012 at 2:24 am [comment link]
From the entry: Forward in Faith UK Release on the House of Bishops Decision
off2, of course not. Why would you think I was saying that?
By off2 on May 24, 2012 at 1:07 am [comment link]
From the entry: Forward in Faith UK Release on the House of Bishops Decision
10. MichaelA, Are you saying ordaining women and blessing homosexual activity, to name but two innovations, are consistent with Holy Tradition as received by most Christians for two thousand years? Are we using words in the same way?
By Karen B. on May 23, 2012 at 10:00 pm [comment link]
From the entry: A Look Back to 2009 and a Consideration of Statistics in the Episcopal Diocese of Lexington
Ok, I couldn’t resist a look at the more recent data. Even with a LARGE loss in 2009 - 2010 (13.6%), SC still fares pretty well if you look at the data from 2000 - 2010.
See here:
http://archive.episcopalchurch.org/documents/ASA_by_ProvinceDiocese2000-2010.pdf
Based on a quick eyeballing of the data (i’ve not put this in Excel, so this is just based on a quick glance), for the 2000 - 2010 period, South Carolina ranks #3 or #4 in “growth” - though in fact NO DOMESTIC DIOCESE GREW in 2000 - 2010!!!!!!
1) East Carolina is “best” with -1.3% ASA decline
2) Tennessee is next with -3.9%
3) South Carolina follows at -5.0%
[Note: Navajo Mission is theoretically #2 on this list at -2.5%, but given that they only have somethling like 190-200 ASA for the diocese, it’s pretty ridiculous to talk about % change for this diocese. 10 people show up or drop out and it totally skews the data!!]
So, the large loss in 2009 - 2010 has hurt SC’s standing as TEC’s only growing diocese. But NO DOMESTIC diocese grew in the last decade! The overseas dioceses are another story entirely.
By MichaelA on May 23, 2012 at 9:52 pm [comment link]
From the entry: (ENS) Ronald Pogue--How ‘Unapologetically Episcopalian’ came to be
Ian+, well said. That is the nub of the problem. TEC does much, but not for God’s glory.
Adding to David Keller’s excellent response to Pastor Chuckie at #4, of course all of these things are good: AIDS care, healthy aging programs, hospitals etc. But they can be done by anyone - you don’t have to be Christian, heck, you don’t even have to be religious in any sense, to do these things.
TEC claims to be a Christian church, and it does so hypocritically, because of the actions of its leadership who deny the gospel, and because of the inaction of many clergy and laity who let the leaders do so. All the social programs in the world can’t “balance” that.
By QohelethDC on May 23, 2012 at 9:25 pm [comment link]
From the entry: An Indispensable C. S. Lewis Quote to Ponder and then Reponder on Modernity versus the Ancients
Oops, I left out the word “daunting” from the first sentence in my second paragraph. Sigh.
By MichaelA on May 23, 2012 at 9:19 pm [comment link]
From the entry: An announcement from Bonnie Anderson, President of the Episcopal Church House of Deputies
Okay, so the reality is that she has four honorary degrees (for what, exactly?) and no earned degrees in theology.
By Karen B. on May 23, 2012 at 9:18 pm [comment link]
From the entry: A Look Back to 2009 and a Consideration of Statistics in the Episcopal Diocese of Lexington
Nuts. I just wrote a follow up comment and lost it. Let me include just a bit more context.
# TEC dioceses with ASA growth over the following periods:
1992 - 1997 44
1997 - 2002 43
2002 - 2007 1 (South Carolina)
Dioceses with ASA growth 1992 - 2007: 9
South Carolina = 32.9%
Tennessee = 22.8%
Western North Carolina = 9.8%
North Carolina = 9.7%
Texas = 8.5%
Atlanta = 6.6%
East Carolina = 6.5%
Alaska = 3.9%
Utah = 1.1%
[Lexington = -20.3%]
So, that gives a bit of background as to why South Carolina’s growth really was exceptional, at least up until 2007. Perhaps the last few years have been tougher with St. Andrew’s departure, but for the 15 years from 1992 - 2007, South Carolina is in a whole different league from pretty much all of the rest of TEC, though at least Tennessee had some decent growth too.
By QohelethDC on May 23, 2012 at 9:17 pm [comment link]
From the entry: An Indispensable C. S. Lewis Quote to Ponder and then Reponder on Modernity versus the Ancients
This is indeed a quote to ponder, and I must have reread it a dozen times today. Thanks for the brain food!
It daunts me a bit (okay, a lot) to contradict the author of my beloved Screwtape Letters (a man no doubt far wiser than I’ll ever be), but I’m not sure I agree. I think some of Homo sapiens’ greatest triumphs and most important progress have come from our repeated refusal to accept “reality” as we inherited it. Out of that refusal came the abolition of slavery, the eradication of smallpox, and greater rights for women, to name just a few top-of-mind examples.
I realize those struggles can include times when people do “things hitherto regarded as disgusting and impious.” A couple of examples come to mind from America’s agonizing journey toward racial equality. In 1902 (I think), Theodore Roosevelt invited Booker T. Washington to the White House for a meal. Countless Americans were shocked and horrified, and decades passed before another black guest set foot in the mansion. In my own lifetime, Virginia had laws—rooted in a vision of God’s plan for separate races—against interracial marriage. The laws stayed on the books till the Supreme Court struck them down. All this to say an earlier age’s standards for disgust might not always serve us well today.
By MichaelA on May 23, 2012 at 9:17 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Chief of Staff of Diocese of Virginia Expresses "Disappointment" with Falls Church (Anglican)
“pocketing” seems not quite the precise word given that the departing group had no right under secular law or the governing rules of the Parish, the Diocese or the national Church to any of the “cash and property.”
Rubbish. The only point in TEC’s favour is that it has won a judgment at first instance, which is clearly wrong in principle and now will be tested on appeal.
The reality is that this congregation owned their property in all senses. They rejected the heresy of TEC (as they were morally and spiritually obliged to do) and TEC then used its financial and legal muscle to seize the congregation’s property.
TEC has behaved like this on many occasions in a way that has no place in a Christian church.
The good thing about articles like this is that it once again gives the orthodox an opportunity to remind the public in the USA (and Anglicans all around the world) how TEC has behaved. No wonder people are deserting TEC in droves.
By MichaelA on May 23, 2012 at 9:09 pm [comment link]
From the entry: A Look Back to 2009 and a Consideration of Statistics in the Episcopal Diocese of Lexington
Wow. Thanks Karen B.
By Sarah on May 23, 2012 at 8:51 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Chief of Staff of Diocese of Virginia Expresses "Disappointment" with Falls Church (Anglican)
Most excellent news.
My favorite lines are “each of the continuing congregations . . . are experiencing significant growth.”
Heh—yup, the faux Falls Church has grown from an ASA of 64 to 74 from 2008 to 2010!
That’s certainly some “staggering richness” of “possibilities” for the libs. ; > )
By Karen B. on May 23, 2012 at 8:50 pm [comment link]
From the entry: A Look Back to 2009 and a Consideration of Statistics in the Episcopal Diocese of Lexington
#20 in what almost feels like a former life, I was a bit renowned here as a TEC data geek. Up until mid-2009 (when my work circumstances changed significantly meaning many many fewer hours online and on the computer in general), I maintained some very detailed spreadsheets, graphs and analyses of TEC data.
In case you’re interested in further historical perspective on annual ASA change in the dioceses of Lexington vs. South Carolina, here you go. My data series unfortunately stops at 2007 since my spreadsheet was last updated in June 2009.
I have detailed stats on ASA change by year in every diocese from 1992 - 2007 (all taken from TEC’s websites & official reports).
When you see people talking about South Carolina being the only diocese to grow in recent years, in particular, it was the only domestic diocese to show overall growth in ASA from 2002 - 2007. The ONLY diocese out of 100. That’s what got people talking.
Here is a quick comparative look.
period: ASA change SC .... Lexington .... TEC Avg.*
92-97 ...... 16.2% ..... 4.7% ......... - 1.0%
97-02 ....... 13.1% ...... -2.5% ........ 0%
02-07 ........ 1.2% ....... -21.9% ....... - 14%
*TEC average is per diocese not for TEC as a whole.
South Carolina ASA grew in 11 of the 15 years from 1992 - 2007.
Lexington grew 8 years out of the 15 (7 of those 8 years prior to 2002). [Note there can be big swings in ASA in certain years due to “the Christmas effect.” [Christmas Eve services getting counted in the data if Christmas falls on a Sunday or Monday.] 2004 and 2005 were both Christmas effect years, so year - to - year comparisons from 2003 - 2004 or 2005 - 2006 are not straightforward. Much better to look at trends over 3 - 5 year periods.
In any case, one more set of comparison data:
1992 - 1997 growth rank: SC # 2 / Lex #24
1997 - 2002 growth rank: SC #5 / Lex #66
2002 - 2007 growth rank: SC #1 / Lex #90
1992 - 2007 growth rate: SC #1 / Lex #66
(this is the rank in terms of the 100 TEC domestic dioceses)
By MichaelA on May 23, 2012 at 8:48 pm [comment link]
From the entry: Forward in Faith UK Release on the House of Bishops Decision
off2, since the Anglican Church fulfills two millenia of catholic tradition, it has every right to call itself catholic.
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