4. Pageantmaster [KJS to Coventry] wrote:
Comes the dawn, comes the hangover, and some of the press and commenter reaction over here:
The Sun - ‘Benefits cap fury’
The Telegraph - ‘Peers reject ‘unjust ’ £26,000 cap on state benefits: Coalition ministers have insisted they will press ahead with a £26,000-per-household cap on benefits despite defeat inflicted in the Lords last night by Church of England bishops.’
[87% of voters in the Telegraph poll so far said £26,000 is enough for any family to live on]
Express - ‘Lords blow for the benefit cap as angry bishops revolt’
Daily Mail - ‘‘An insult to every working family:Labour, bishops and Lib Dem peers derail plan to cap benefits at ‘just’ £26,000 a year’ and this: “At long last we might get some commonsense in our bloated welfare system -but no thanks to Ashdown and bishops in big houses.”
Independent - ‘Peers reject universal £26,000 cap on benefits ’
The pro-labour Daily Mirror and Guardian newspapers are pretty much ignoring the story, perhaps because the majority of labour voters are with the government on this one.
and some of the comments:
the bishops? come on, if there was ever a bunch that was out of touch its those charlatans. if christ was alive now, he would rip those purple robes off their backs in disgust. no wonder they back scroungers on benefits, after all isnt what they do the same, pilfer from the publ;ic purse and for what???
This is the problem with an unelected 2nd chamber especial when the church is allowed to get into Politics
This vote demonstrates four things. Firstly the House of Lords needs reforming.
Now totally unelected with the Church given a large representation. Why? We should be a secular country, like France, with the church having no place in Government or come to that education…
Silly old Farts in Dresses and Pointy hats wielding more power than they merit . Ignore them and get on with it.
That Bishop is living in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks child benefit is actually spent on the children in the scrounger type families. It’s just treated as more money in the gravy pot for Sky, fags, mobile phones, booze and 50” tv’s.
Just outrageous that we have these Bishops sitting as ‘Lords’. They’ve never done a day’s work in their lives & get paid for peddling fairy tales. Who are they to tell working people they’re not paying enough for (mainly) layabouts?
Time for these ancient ‘Lords’ to be swept away & replaced by an elected second chamber.
I’m afraid the Bishops and the Church lost touch with the general population long ago.
The Bishops have no place in politics, as our Christian representatives, they should be vociferous in fighting the threat, and it’s a very real threat people, that is Islam in this country.
Iv’e an idea. Cap child benefit, and if the church wants more to be paid, then the church pays it . After all, the church is the richest charity in the world, with money stolen over the centuries from the paupers.
And here is why it matters:
‘UK debt passes £1 trillion for the first time: UK public debt has passed the £1 trillion mark for the first time, as the Government borrowed nearly £14bn last month despite its continued austerity drive.’
Essentially, if we lose our Triple A credit rating, then our borrowing costs go up, and we follow Greece, Italy, France and others into a situation where these decisions will not be made by bishops, or us, and we will launch everyone into poverty, which with this level of debt will probably lead to us ending up like Greece. Fortunately, no thanks to CofE bishops, the government is remaining focused on trying to keep a tight fiscal discipline.
No one understands why any family cannot live on the average income of £35,000 [pre tax] where the cap has been set. I don’t - and the claims of children being launched into poverty by it made by the bishops are just risible.
As we have seen with the Communion, so with the country, there is no prudent leadership from CofE bishops and the Archbishop of Canterbury.
#3 Michael A: I think that people care less what Canterbury [and ACO] says now than when the original vote took place in Synod. People are just marking time until RDW goes - then they may make a decision over whether the Canterbury connection with the Communion matters and is worth resucitating - not a comment on ACNA’s view, but across the board from what appears to be going on.
Some days I sit and think. Other days I just sit!!
January 24, 8:15 am | [comment link]